As Trump airs his election doubts, many supporters say they won't accept a Biden win in 2024

[Slimshandy]

9-85.300 Non-Interference in Elections When Conducting Federal Criminal Investigations Involving Ballot Fraud

Ballot fraud is crime involving the process by which voters are registered, votes are cast, or votes are tabulated. The Department has long recognized that the States – not the federal government – are responsible for administering elections, determining the validity of votes, and tabulating the results, with challenges handled by the appropriate election administrators, officials, legislatures, and courts. The Department has a limited role in these processes and should generally avoid interfering or appearing to interfere with election administration, tabulation, validation, or certification. See § 9-85.500. The Department’s role is limited to investigating and prosecuting violations of federal election laws and deterring criminal conduct. Accordingly, the Department should not engage in overt criminal investigative measures in matters involving alleged ballot fraud until the election in question has been concluded, its results certified, and all recounts and election contests concluded. Doing otherwise runs the risk of chilling legitimate voting and campaign activities and of interjecting the investigation itself into ongoing campaigns and the adjudication of any ensuing election contest. It may, however, often be appropriate, in consultation with the Public Integrity Section, to share information and allegations involving such matters with state or local authorities where an immediate need for overt measures exists. Exceptions to this policy may be recognized, but only with the approval of the Public Integrity Section.

[added August 2022]

https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-85000-p ... y#9-85.300

Maybe if this trial was about ballot fraud, that would matter…



But it isn’t.



And his supporters think it’s strategically timed to interfere with his campaign.

It matters because you're using the law incorrectly.

His supporters believe it because they believe his lies.

Incorrectly how?

[Pjmm]

And you really like prophesying the downfall of America…

Fact of the matter is, when Trump was president, the country as a whole was doing better than it is now.

In what way?

In 2019 $40 could get you three days worth of food, now it’s 1 days worth of food

In 2019 the interest rate was 3.9, today it’s 5.4

In 2019 people had one job that could pay the bills, now people have to have two jobs to pay the bills. The democrats like to say “oh look! The unemployment rate is down” but they like to overlook how many people have gone down to part time at two jobs and they aren’t getting any benefits.

In 2019 we gave 39.9 billion in foreign aid. In 2024 it’s up to 63 billion a year…





The Biden administration is crushing financially insecure Americans.

From what I understand the economy of the current President often is the product of the past one. Covid and the subsidies that Trump gave us maybe were necessary but they affected the economy now. Idk if Biden can do more but if so I’d like to know what. The Feds are already trying to fight inflation by raising interest rates. Also in 2019 we didn’t have two raging wars: Ukraine and Israel. I’m not thrilled with the foreign aid but Biden can’t give it without Congress approving it so there you go.

[Slimshandy]

In what way?

In 2019 $40 could get you three days worth of food, now it’s 1 days worth of food

In 2019 the interest rate was 3.9, today it’s 5.4

In 2019 people had one job that could pay the bills, now people have to have two jobs to pay the bills. The democrats like to say “oh look! The unemployment rate is down” but they like to overlook how many people have gone down to part time at two jobs and they aren’t getting any benefits.

In 2019 we gave 39.9 billion in foreign aid. In 2024 it’s up to 63 billion a year…





The Biden administration is crushing financially insecure Americans.

From what I understand the economy of the current President often is the product of the past one. Covid and the subsidies that Trump gave us maybe were necessary but they affected the economy now. Idk if Biden can do more but if so I’d like to know what. The Feds are already trying to fight inflation by raising interest rates. Also in 2019 we didn’t have two raging wars: Ukraine and Israel. I’m not thrilled with the foreign aid but Biden can’t give it without Congress approving it so there you go.

“We” aren’t in any wars… we fund other people’s wars. To the detriment of ourselves.

[Pjmm]

In 2019 $40 could get you three days worth of food, now it’s 1 days worth of food

In 2019 the interest rate was 3.9, today it’s 5.4

In 2019 people had one job that could pay the bills, now people have to have two jobs to pay the bills. The democrats like to say “oh look! The unemployment rate is down” but they like to overlook how many people have gone down to part time at two jobs and they aren’t getting any benefits.

In 2019 we gave 39.9 billion in foreign aid. In 2024 it’s up to 63 billion a year…





The Biden administration is crushing financially insecure Americans.

From what I understand the economy of the current President often is the product of the past one. Covid and the subsidies that Trump gave us maybe were necessary but they affected the economy now. Idk if Biden can do more but if so I’d like to know what. The Feds are already trying to fight inflation by raising interest rates. Also in 2019 we didn’t have two raging wars: Ukraine and Israel. I’m not thrilled with the foreign aid but Biden can’t give it without Congress approving it so there you go.

“We” aren’t in any wars… we fund other people’s wars. To the detriment of ourselves.

There’s plenty of good reasons to fund an ally or to prevent a dictator like Putin from taking over other lands besides the Ukraine. But as I said I don’t completely agree with the amount of aid. I’m just explaining why it increased since 2019. And it’s not completely Biden’s doing. Congress could have voted to fund no one. They didn’t. They argued and voted for the aid.

[SallyMae]

In 2019 $40 could get you three days worth of food, now it’s 1 days worth of food...

...The Biden administration is crushing financially insecure Americans.

So, inflation. A valid concern. Here are some fun facts about it:

• The inflation was worldwide, not just U.S.
• Inflation is coming down faster in the U.S. than any other nation
• The inflation has largely been a result of corporate gouging

What do you think Biden should have done to prevent this?

The wealthiest of people are still doing fine.

Yes. So, what do you expect Trump to do about inflation? His only move was tax cuts for the rich, which substantially contributed to inflation.

[Della]

Maybe if this trial was about ballot fraud, that would matter…



But it isn’t.



And his supporters think it’s strategically timed to interfere with his campaign.

It matters because you're using the law incorrectly.

His supporters believe it because they believe his lies.

Incorrectly how?

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/cl ... -election/


"If you look carefully at the language, you will see that it applies to decisions by the government about the timing of steps in a criminal investigation that could lead to it becoming publicly known an individual is under suspicion (like executing a search warrant) or scheduling an indictment close to an election. The provision forbids prosecutors from scheduling overt actions like this for an explicit political purpose, but in practice, prosecutors avoid doing it at all, in order to avoid any appearance of impropriety.But this provision doesn’t cover what happens to a case after it’s indicted. Section 9-85.500 is about timing decisions that prosecutors control, and once a case is indicted, the schedule is up to the judge. It’s no longer a matter where DOJ has control over when things, like trials, happen. It’s in the hands of the courts, an independent branch of government, and the schedule is dictated by rules like the Speedy Trial Act and the judge’s discretion. Trump’s argument here doesn’t make sense if you stop and think about it—if it were correct, there would never be a moment when the government would have enough time to investigate, indict, and try a case given our election cycle, and politicians could never be held accountable."

[Della]

In 2019 $40 could get you three days worth of food, now it’s 1 days worth of food

In 2019 the interest rate was 3.9, today it’s 5.4

In 2019 people had one job that could pay the bills, now people have to have two jobs to pay the bills. The democrats like to say “oh look! The unemployment rate is down” but they like to overlook how many people have gone down to part time at two jobs and they aren’t getting any benefits.

In 2019 we gave 39.9 billion in foreign aid. In 2024 it’s up to 63 billion a year…





The Biden administration is crushing financially insecure Americans.

From what I understand the economy of the current President often is the product of the past one. Covid and the subsidies that Trump gave us maybe were necessary but they affected the economy now. Idk if Biden can do more but if so I’d like to know what. The Feds are already trying to fight inflation by raising interest rates. Also in 2019 we didn’t have two raging wars: Ukraine and Israel. I’m not thrilled with the foreign aid but Biden can’t give it without Congress approving it so there you go.

“We” aren’t in any wars… we fund other people’s wars. To the detriment of ourselves.

To our detriment includes all the billions to Israel?

[Slimshandy]

It matters because you're using the law incorrectly.

His supporters believe it because they believe his lies.

Incorrectly how?

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/cl ... -election/


"If you look carefully at the language, you will see that it applies to decisions by the government about the timing of steps in a criminal investigation that could lead to it becoming publicly known an individual is under suspicion (like executing a search warrant) or scheduling an indictment close to an election. The provision forbids prosecutors from scheduling overt actions like this for an explicit political purpose, but in practice, prosecutors avoid doing it at all, in order to avoid any appearance of impropriety.But this provision doesn’t cover what happens to a case after it’s indicted. Section 9-85.500 is about timing decisions that prosecutors control, and once a case is indicted, the schedule is up to the judge. It’s no longer a matter where DOJ has control over when things, like trials, happen. It’s in the hands of the courts, an independent branch of government, and the schedule is dictated by rules like the Speedy Trial Act and the judge’s discretion. Trump’s argument here doesn’t make sense if you stop and think about it—if it were correct, there would never be a moment when the government would have enough time to investigate, indict, and try a case given our election cycle, and politicians could never be held accountable."

“by the Judge’s discretion “…


As I said… people see the scheduling of this as election interference.

[Della]

Incorrectly how?

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/cl ... -election/


"If you look carefully at the language, you will see that it applies to decisions by the government about the timing of steps in a criminal investigation that could lead to it becoming publicly known an individual is under suspicion (like executing a search warrant) or scheduling an indictment close to an election. The provision forbids prosecutors from scheduling overt actions like this for an explicit political purpose, but in practice, prosecutors avoid doing it at all, in order to avoid any appearance of impropriety.But this provision doesn’t cover what happens to a case after it’s indicted. Section 9-85.500 is about timing decisions that prosecutors control, and once a case is indicted, the schedule is up to the judge. It’s no longer a matter where DOJ has control over when things, like trials, happen. It’s in the hands of the courts, an independent branch of government, and the schedule is dictated by rules like the Speedy Trial Act and the judge’s discretion. Trump’s argument here doesn’t make sense if you stop and think about it—if it were correct, there would never be a moment when the government would have enough time to investigate, indict, and try a case given our election cycle, and politicians could never be held accountable."

“by the Judge’s discretion “…


As I said… people see the scheduling of this as election interference.

Like Aileen Cannon?

[Slimshandy]

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/cl ... -election/


"If you look carefully at the language, you will see that it applies to decisions by the government about the timing of steps in a criminal investigation that could lead to it becoming publicly known an individual is under suspicion (like executing a search warrant) or scheduling an indictment close to an election. The provision forbids prosecutors from scheduling overt actions like this for an explicit political purpose, but in practice, prosecutors avoid doing it at all, in order to avoid any appearance of impropriety.But this provision doesn’t cover what happens to a case after it’s indicted. Section 9-85.500 is about timing decisions that prosecutors control, and once a case is indicted, the schedule is up to the judge. It’s no longer a matter where DOJ has control over when things, like trials, happen. It’s in the hands of the courts, an independent branch of government, and the schedule is dictated by rules like the Speedy Trial Act and the judge’s discretion. Trump’s argument here doesn’t make sense if you stop and think about it—if it were correct, there would never be a moment when the government would have enough time to investigate, indict, and try a case given our election cycle, and politicians could never be held accountable."

“by the Judge’s discretion “…


As I said… people see the scheduling of this as election interference.

Like Aileen Cannon?

Like, people who are going to vote for Trump…