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Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:15 pm
by AZOldGal66
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:54 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:37 pm
Oh, don’t limit yourself!! You’re both!
Oh, and BTW…
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-co ... lution/894
“This resolution condemns and denounces all instances of antisemitism occurring in the United States and globally. The resolution also states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism.”
What an ego to suggest that you have any right to tell Jews what is or isn’t antisemitic. You can keep your little opinion piece written by a kapo that has zero connection to either his Jewish ethnicity or his Judaism. Since when the opinion of one guy means “debunking” a fact that millions of people worldwide agree it’s true? He doesn’t speak for the millions of Jews that consider themselves Zionists because “Zionism” simply means the right of the Jewish people to self determination in their ancestral land. Zionism is the prime example of DEcolonization in history. If you’re against Jews having a home in their indigenous land, to create their nation, under their laws and to practice their beliefs freely and safely, then you’re a vulgar antisemite, stop trying to ennoble that. Israel has a right to exist, period. If you don’t agree then you’re antisemitic aside from being an antizionist.
Haven’t you noticed these past days that no one except for your acolyte is replying to your posts? We all know what you are now. Don’t be this pathetic to still trying to pretend you’re something better than what you are.
ANYONE who disagrees with the politics and business of Israel is an anti semite to you. You have practically admitted it.
That resolution is a ridiculous joke.
The only reason anyone here stands for Israel is because of a ridiculous interpretation of Scripture that even Jews don't believe. Or perhaps you can finally show them where in the Jewish Bible God returned the land to the Jews. Yes, please do!
We're waiting
I stand for Israel as I do Palestine. It's not a one or the other situation for me, personally.
Too, having Jewish people on both sides of my family, both past and present, gives me a sense of kinship.
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:25 pm
by Della
AZOldGal66 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:15 pm
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:54 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:37 pm
Oh, don’t limit yourself!! You’re both!
Oh, and BTW…
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-co ... lution/894
“This resolution condemns and denounces all instances of antisemitism occurring in the United States and globally. The resolution also states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism.”
What an ego to suggest that you have any right to tell Jews what is or isn’t antisemitic. You can keep your little opinion piece written by a kapo that has zero connection to either his Jewish ethnicity or his Judaism. Since when the opinion of one guy means “debunking” a fact that millions of people worldwide agree it’s true? He doesn’t speak for the millions of Jews that consider themselves Zionists because “Zionism” simply means the right of the Jewish people to self determination in their ancestral land. Zionism is the prime example of DEcolonization in history. If you’re against Jews having a home in their indigenous land, to create their nation, under their laws and to practice their beliefs freely and safely, then you’re a vulgar antisemite, stop trying to ennoble that. Israel has a right to exist, period. If you don’t agree then you’re antisemitic aside from being an antizionist.
Haven’t you noticed these past days that no one except for your acolyte is replying to your posts? We all know what you are now. Don’t be this pathetic to still trying to pretend you’re something better than what you are.
ANYONE who disagrees with the politics and business of Israel is an anti semite to you. You have practically admitted it.
That resolution is a ridiculous joke.
The only reason anyone here stands for Israel is because of a ridiculous interpretation of Scripture that even Jews don't believe. Or perhaps you can finally show them where in the Jewish Bible God returned the land to the Jews. Yes, please do!
We're waiting
I stand for Israel as I do Palestine. It's not a one or the other situation for me, personally.
Too, having Jewish people on both sides of my family, both past and present, gives me a sense of kinship.
Most Americans seem to stand with one over the other. I'm fine with Israel. I'm fine with the original land of the mandate. The fulfillment of a Palestinian state as promised.
I noticed she never answers that question
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:52 pm
by Della
AZOldGal66 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:06 pm
In a class I recently took and completed on Israel, it was noted that not all Jews subscribe to Zionist beliefs and political rhetoric...
"Israel-Hamas war: What is Zionism? A history of the political movement that created Israel as we know it"
https://theconversation.com/israel-hama ... -it-217788
"In short, Zionism does not preclude someone from being critical of the policies of the Israeli government."
What thoughts do you have having read that?
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:52 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:37 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:21 pm
[b][size=150]https://www.worldjewishco ... /size][/b]
“Why anti-Zionism is a form of antisemitism”
“Anti-Zionism denies Jews their right to self-defense
Anti-Zionism denies the historical connection of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel
Anti-Zionism perpetuates false accusations about Jews and Israelis
Anti-Zionism is used as a tool to ignore blatant anti-Jewish hatred
Anti-Zionism and its inherent demonization of Jews leads to violence” (WellPreseved, these last 2 are for you)
Written by you, for you...of course. Just like the OLD TESTAMENT.
Do you understand what Christians are talking about when they say “Old Testament and New Testament “?
Jewish people don’t call it the Old Testament…
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:53 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:52 pm
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:37 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:21 pm
[b][size=150]https://www.worldjewishco ... /size][/b]
“Why anti-Zionism is a form of antisemitism”
“Anti-Zionism denies Jews their right to self-defense
Anti-Zionism denies the historical connection of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel
Anti-Zionism perpetuates false accusations about Jews and Israelis
Anti-Zionism is used as a tool to ignore blatant anti-Jewish hatred
Anti-Zionism and its inherent demonization of Jews leads to violence” (WellPreseved, these last 2 are for you)
Written by you, for you...of course. Just like the OLD TESTAMENT.
Do you understand what Christians are talking about when they say “Old Testament and New Testament “?
Jewish people don’t call it the Old Testament…
Why don't you explain it for us?
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:54 pm
by Slimshandy
This is like saying anti-Americans aren’t hating on America…
Of course they are.
You can of course have an issue with how America is making political decisions, but if you go as far as calling yourself anti-American, you’re in a new bracket now that doesn’t consist of regular people commenting on politics decisions.
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:58 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:53 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:52 pm
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:37 pm
Written by you, for you...of course. Just like the OLD TESTAMENT.
Do you understand what Christians are talking about when they say “Old Testament and New Testament “?
Jewish people don’t call it the Old Testament…
Why don't you explain it for us?
The words Old/New refer to Jesus, before him and after.
For Jewish people, Jesus isn’t the messiah. So there’s no old and new, there’s the Torah/Tanakh .
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:11 pm
by Momto2boys973
True. Sometimes we may use the OT/NT terms for debate purposes, since they are the most common used terms. But Torah and Tanakh are the terms we use.
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:58 pm
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:53 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:52 pm
Do you understand what Christians are talking about when they say “Old Testament and New Testament “?
Jewish people don’t call it the Old Testament…
Why don't you explain it for us?
The words Old/New refer to Jesus, before him and after.
For Jewish people, Jesus isn’t the messiah. So there’s no old and new, there’s the Torah/Tanakh .
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:17 pm
by Momto2boys973
I’m actually pro palestine as well. I truly wish there was a palestinian state living peacefully alongside Israel. That would be perfection.
But I’m a realist and I know it’s not possible while Hamas and the PA are controlling them. The first step to achieving peace is to end that situation and unfortunately, the head of the snake is Iran. As long as the Islamic Republic controls Iran, peace won’t be possible. If the world truly wants the region to have some semblance of peace, they will join together in bringing down the Islamic Republic. Unfortunately, other interests interfere.
AZOldGal66 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:15 pm
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:54 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 12:37 pm
Oh, don’t limit yourself!! You’re both!
Oh, and BTW…
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-co ... lution/894
“This resolution condemns and denounces all instances of antisemitism occurring in the United States and globally. The resolution also states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism.”
What an ego to suggest that you have any right to tell Jews what is or isn’t antisemitic. You can keep your little opinion piece written by a kapo that has zero connection to either his Jewish ethnicity or his Judaism. Since when the opinion of one guy means “debunking” a fact that millions of people worldwide agree it’s true? He doesn’t speak for the millions of Jews that consider themselves Zionists because “Zionism” simply means the right of the Jewish people to self determination in their ancestral land. Zionism is the prime example of DEcolonization in history. If you’re against Jews having a home in their indigenous land, to create their nation, under their laws and to practice their beliefs freely and safely, then you’re a vulgar antisemite, stop trying to ennoble that. Israel has a right to exist, period. If you don’t agree then you’re antisemitic aside from being an antizionist.
Haven’t you noticed these past days that no one except for your acolyte is replying to your posts? We all know what you are now. Don’t be this pathetic to still trying to pretend you’re something better than what you are.
ANYONE who disagrees with the politics and business of Israel is an anti semite to you. You have practically admitted it.
That resolution is a ridiculous joke.
The only reason anyone here stands for Israel is because of a ridiculous interpretation of Scripture that even Jews don't believe. Or perhaps you can finally show them where in the Jewish Bible God returned the land to the Jews. Yes, please do!
We're waiting
I stand for Israel as I do Palestine. It's not a one or the other situation for me, personally.
Too, having Jewish people on both sides of my family, both past and present, gives me a sense of kinship.
Re: Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:21 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:58 pm
Della wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:53 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 3:52 pm
Do you understand what Christians are talking about when they say “Old Testament and New Testament “?
Jewish people don’t call it the Old Testament…
Why don't you explain it for us?
The words Old/New refer to Jesus, before him and after.
For Jewish people, Jesus isn’t the messiah. So there’s no old and new, there’s the Torah/Tanakh .
What do each the Torah & Tanakh have in common with the Old Testament? Where did the Christians get the OT?
