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Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:51 pm
by Lexy
Slimshandy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:27 pm
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:41 am
Slimshandy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:35 am He needs to be locked up for a long time.
How many years would you say is justified?
For this case?
A mental institution for as long as it takes for his doctors to deem him no longer a threat.
Oh we would need many here in NYC.. So many crazies running the streets and subways!

Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:55 pm
by Della
SouthernIslander wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:26 pm
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:19 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:02 pm

I don't even like guns but shit like this would encourage me to get over it and buy one.

That is horrible.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/29/us-news/s ... t-sources/
I’m not gonna lie my friend, mental illness would not stop me from defending myself if some strange man punched me in the face, much less a child.

Somebody better get him some help before he hits the wrong person.
I'd likely hurt someone unless I knew 😔 In the pics he has that blank look like he's off his meds.

That's the thing, imo, we need to put forth a better effort to treat mental illnesses. Until that's done, well...idk.

Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:01 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:27 pm
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:41 am
Slimshandy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:35 am He needs to be locked up for a long time.
How many years would you say is justified?
For this case?
A mental institution for as long as it takes for his doctors to deem him no longer a threat.
You don't see that as a violation of their rights? I'm not saying I disagree, but I'm curious.

Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:11 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:01 pm
Slimshandy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:27 pm
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:41 am

How many years would you say is justified?
For this case?
A mental institution for as long as it takes for his doctors to deem him no longer a threat.
You don't see that as a violation of their rights? I'm not saying I disagree, but I'm curious.
No…

He never had the right to attack children… if he’s mentally incapable of realizing his crime, he should be committed until medical professionals decide he is no longer a threat.


That’s how our justice system is supposed to work.

Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:12 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:11 pm
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:01 pm
Slimshandy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:27 pm

For this case?
A mental institution for as long as it takes for his doctors to deem him no longer a threat.
You don't see that as a violation of their rights? I'm not saying I disagree, but I'm curious.
No…

He never had the right to attack children… if he’s mentally incapable of realizing his crime, he should be committed until medical professionals decide he is no longer a threat.


That’s how our justice system is supposed to work.

"Where involuntary commitment to an inpatient facility is deemed necessary, the following rights should apply:[15]
due process hearing,
provision of counsel,
minimum burden of proof of "clear and convincing" evidence,
a jury trial (at the respondent's election),
presentation of witnesses and opportunity for cross examination,
a clear standard of commitment which includes proof that:


serious physical harm to the respondent or others will occur in the absence of involuntary confinement.
the place of confinement can provide the treatment being sought by the petitioner,
there are no less restrictive but suitable alternatives to the placement being sought, and
a specific overt act of dangerousness (including a stated threat), and
the right to an appeal, including the right , if indigent, to a free transcript of the hearing and the appointment of counsel."

https://mhanational.org/issues/rights-p ... rimination.

Is this justice?

Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:11 am
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:12 pm
Slimshandy wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:11 pm
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:01 pm

You don't see that as a violation of their rights? I'm not saying I disagree, but I'm curious.
No…

He never had the right to attack children… if he’s mentally incapable of realizing his crime, he should be committed until medical professionals decide he is no longer a threat.


That’s how our justice system is supposed to work.

"Where involuntary commitment to an inpatient facility is deemed necessary, the following rights should apply:[15]
due process hearing,
provision of counsel,
minimum burden of proof of "clear and convincing" evidence,
a jury trial (at the respondent's election),
presentation of witnesses and opportunity for cross examination,
a clear standard of commitment which includes proof that:


serious physical harm to the respondent or others will occur in the absence of involuntary confinement.
the place of confinement can provide the treatment being sought by the petitioner,
there are no less restrictive but suitable alternatives to the placement being sought, and
a specific overt act of dangerousness (including a stated threat), and
the right to an appeal, including the right , if indigent, to a free transcript of the hearing and the appointment of counsel."

https://mhanational.org/issues/rights-p ... rimination.

Is this justice?
Yes.

Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal

Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:28 am
by SouthernIslander
Della wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 4:55 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:26 pm
I’m not gonna lie my friend, mental illness would not stop me from defending myself if some strange man punched me in the face, much less a child.

Somebody better get him some help before he hits the wrong person.
I'd likely hurt someone unless I knew 😔 In the pics he has that blank look like he's off his meds.

That's the thing, imo, we need to put forth a better effort to treat mental illnesses. Until that's done, well...idk.

I'd hurt someone even if I did know TBH. I am working on it, so I'm not saying it's right but it’s really easy for a man to push me into survival mode and flip my ever loving shit.

We do. The stigma has gotten a lot better then it was growing up, but we have a long way to go on mental health.