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Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:30 am
by jessilin0113
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:48 am
Della wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:27 am
Lexy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:08 am
Zarzuela was arrested on April 4 and charged with assault, reckless endangerment and harassment for allegedly punching another victim at Grand Central Terminal. He was released without bail
Sad they let him out a few days earlier so he could sucker punch a child.
That's a lovely crystal ball they have.
A blind man could have seen that one coming… no crystal ball needed.
I know our justice system is garbage but no need to make it worse by instituting some sort of pre-crime judgement. You can't keep people in jail who have not been found guilty and you can't keep people in jail because they
might do something. Bail is meant to ensure that people show up to court, it is not meant to be a punishment. If there was no reason to assume he would skip town then there really was no reason to impose bail. Yes, you run the risk that they might commit additional crimes, but most don't.
(Slim, this comment was not aimed directly at you, I just used your comment as a jumping off point).
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:41 am
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:35 am
He needs to be locked up for a long time.
How many years would you say is justified?
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:49 am
by Francee89
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:30 am
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:48 am
Della wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:27 am
That's a lovely crystal ball they have.
A blind man could have seen that one coming… no crystal ball needed.
I know our justice system is garbage but no need to make it worse by instituting some sort of pre-crime judgement. You can't keep people in jail who have not been found guilty and you can't keep people in jail because they
might do something. Bail is meant to ensure that people show up to court, it is not meant to be a punishment. If there was no reason to assume he would skip town then there really was no reason to impose bail. Yes, you run the risk that they might commit additional crimes, but most don't.
(Slim, this comment was not aimed directly at you, I just used your comment as a jumping off point).
Per this article, in this case it looks like after the initial attack bail actually was set ($2,500 cash bail or $10,000 bond), but he had to be released after the police and prosecutors didn’t get depositions from either the MTA detective or the victim within the mandatory 5 days. It doesn’t explain what caused the delay, but bail was initially set.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/04/15/ ... irsty-d-a/
(Also not aimed directly at you/jumping off, lol)
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:50 am
by Della
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:51 am
by Slimshandy
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:30 am
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:48 am
Della wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:27 am
That's a lovely crystal ball they have.
A blind man could have seen that one coming… no crystal ball needed.
I know our justice system is garbage but no need to make it worse by instituting some sort of pre-crime judgement. You can't keep people in jail who have not been found guilty and you can't keep people in jail because they
might do something. Bail is meant to ensure that people show up to court, it is not meant to be a punishment. If there was no reason to assume he would skip town then there really was no reason to impose bail. Yes, you run the risk that they might commit additional crimes, but most don't.
(Slim, this comment was not aimed directly at you, I just used your comment as a jumping off point).
If the person has a higher chance of being a danger to the public, the bail amount is set much higher…
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:13 pm
by Olioxenfree
Francee89 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:49 am
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:30 am
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 10:48 am
A blind man could have seen that one coming… no crystal ball needed.
I know our justice system is garbage but no need to make it worse by instituting some sort of pre-crime judgement. You can't keep people in jail who have not been found guilty and you can't keep people in jail because they
might do something. Bail is meant to ensure that people show up to court, it is not meant to be a punishment. If there was no reason to assume he would skip town then there really was no reason to impose bail. Yes, you run the risk that they might commit additional crimes, but most don't.
(Slim, this comment was not aimed directly at you, I just used your comment as a jumping off point).
Per this article, in this case it looks like after the initial attack bail actually was set ($2,500 cash bail or $10,000 bond), but he had to be released after the police and prosecutors didn’t get depositions from either the MTA detective or the victim within the mandatory 5 days. It doesn’t explain what caused the delay, but bail was initially set.
https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/04/15/ ... irsty-d-a/
(Also not aimed directly at you/jumping off, lol)
If they don’t get a deposition, they can’t hold or charge them and have to release them. The victim might have chosen not to pursue charges. One of my sons was punched by a stranger when he was four. The person had significant disabilities and did not understand what they were doing, they had gotten away from their caretaker who was extremely apologetic. Yes it was extremely upsetting but given the persons diminished capacity, we didn’t press any charges. I don’t know this persons situation but the lack of mental health and disability care given to the uninsured causes incidents like this.
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:02 pm
by SouthernIslander
I don't even like guns but shit like this would encourage me to get over it and buy one.
That is horrible.
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:19 pm
by Della
SouthernIslander wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:02 pm
I don't even like guns but shit like this would encourage me to get over it and buy one.
That is horrible.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/29/us-news/s ... t-sources/
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:26 pm
by SouthernIslander
I’m not gonna lie my friend, mental illness would not stop me from defending myself if some strange man punched me in the face, much less a child.
Somebody better get him some help before he hits the wrong person.
Re: 9-year-old girl punched in face at Grand Central Terminal
Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:27 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:41 am
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:35 am
He needs to be locked up for a long time.
How many years would you say is justified?
For this case?
A mental institution for as long as it takes for his doctors to deem him no longer a threat.