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Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:35 pm
by AZOldGal66
Let me preface this by saying my link doesn't suggest that the information on it is an alternative to safe, legal abortions but rather just interesting history.
"A brief history of abortion – from ancient Egyptian herbs to fighting stigma today"
https://theconversation.com/a-brief-his ... day-213033
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:43 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:15 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:36 pm
Della wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:34 pm
So, break the law?
If a law is unjust…
Why not fight to change the law? Do you just give up on things or do you sue if necessary?
Contrary to popular belief… you can do both.
You can fight to change the laws, you can sue the state/ feds when a law is unjust, and you can gain the knowledge that gives you more control over your own body.
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:57 pm
by Slimshandy
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:12 pm
MonarchMom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:13 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:07 pm
No, they need hospitalization.
Are you under the impression that I am the one making that difficult for women today?
Not at all. But I do think that remarks like "you can control your own body" with suggestions of herbal remedies minimizes the real threat to women's health done by these laws.
I think it also minimizes the deaths of the 10s of thousands of women who die from illegal abortions each year in developing countries. Almost 1/2 of the women who are hospitalized after an illegal abortion or an unsuccessful abortion in Zambia where I lived, used herbals, usually prescribed by a traditional healer.
It just screams of an out-of-touch statement made by an American suburbanite from their cushy sofa.
Lol…. ***Pats head***
Your googling skills are impressing us all… first you post how there is no data, then you post “ half of all women”…
I wonder… have you ever asked a medical professional why they hate google?
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 8:18 pm
by WellPreserved
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:57 pm
WellPreserved wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:12 pm
MonarchMom wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:13 pm
Not at all. But I do think that remarks like "you can control your own body" with suggestions of herbal remedies minimizes the real threat to women's health done by these laws.
I think it also minimizes the deaths of the 10s of thousands of women who die from illegal abortions each year in developing countries. Almost 1/2 of the women who are hospitalized after an illegal abortion or an unsuccessful abortion in Zambia where I lived, used herbals, usually prescribed by a traditional healer.
It just screams of an out-of-touch statement made by an American suburbanite from their cushy sofa.
Lol…. ***Pats head***
Your googling skills are impressing us all… first you post how there is no data, then you post “ half of all women”…
I wonder… have you ever asked a medical professional why they hate google?
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 9:30 pm
by Francee89
The AZ House Speaker, Republican Ben Toma, apparently doesn’t see the need for any sort of urgency here (the Court ruling was 47 whole pages!), but wants to be sure everyone knows how mean the Democrats are being
They have every opportunity to immediately repeal the 1864 law. They’re simply choosing not to.
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:20 pm
by Pjmm
Della wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:48 pm
SoFloMom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:01 pm
This country is so ass backwards.
Republicans are trying to take us back to the good old days. That's MAGA.
I thought they were the party of "small government." Isn't that what Reagan, Bush and George W thought? The government that governs the best, governs the least? So much for that. I don't want to hear another word about Democrats and liberals wanting government to come in and overstep on everyone's lives.
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:44 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:43 pm
Della wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:15 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:36 pm
If a law is unjust…
Why not fight to change the law? Do you just give up on things or do you sue if necessary?
Contrary to popular belief… you can do both.
You can fight to change the laws, you can sue the state/ feds when a law is unjust, and you can gain the knowledge that gives you more control over your own body.
You seem to agree with the law with your reaction.
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:59 pm
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:44 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:43 pm
Della wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:15 pm
Why not fight to change the law? Do you just give up on things or do you sue if necessary?
Contrary to popular belief… you can do both.
You can fight to change the laws, you can sue the state/ feds when a law is unjust, and you can gain the knowledge that gives you more control over your own body.
You seem to agree with the law with your reaction.
Then you haven’t been reading what I’ve been saying, you’re going off of your own assumptions.
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:17 pm
by Della
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:59 pm
Della wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:44 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:43 pm
Contrary to popular belief… you can do both.
You can fight to change the laws, you can sue the state/ feds when a law is unjust, and you can gain the knowledge that gives you more control over your own body.
You seem to agree with the law with your reaction.
Then you haven’t been reading what I’ve been saying, you’re going off of your own assumptions.
You're quite nonchalant about it all. Just get some magic potions and break the law, no prob.
Re: Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable
Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2024 9:39 am
by Slimshandy
Della wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:17 pm
Slimshandy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:59 pm
Della wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:44 pm
You seem to agree with the law with your reaction.
Then you haven’t been reading what I’ve been saying, you’re going off of your own assumptions.
You're quite nonchalant about it all. Just get some magic potions and break the law, no prob.
Do you require seeing manic anger before you assume someone cares?
Let me ask you a question…
How much do you care about women’s ability to control their own body?
