The 'Defund the Police' Movement is Growing.

[BionicBunny]

Please tell me there are more people in this group that has more sense than this.

I agree that this isn’t a rational. What do you think is a reasonable solution?

Stiffer consequences and complaints not swept under the rug. Better investigations into complaints on cops. Termination when called for, like that cop that pushed the elderly guy he should be fired and charged with assault.
More training on how to calm a situation down and proper responses under high stress situations. I’ll use the example of the elderly guy again, I think the push was due to stress and it was the wrong reaction. We teach our children that actions have consequences no matter the reason and that should apply to police.

[Della]

How about a rule to put their pensions and retirement benefits on the line? If they knew they'd lose those and have those funds used to pay out lawsuits, instead of the taxpayers dollars, could that be an incentive?

[BionicBunny]

Seriously? A dog bite is not stupid shit. Dog attacks are a matter of the law. A mentally ill person destroying a store or threatening people, etc. IS a matter of the law and not stupid shit! You seriously have no common sense do you?!
Stupid shit would be a loose dog, kids ringing the door bell and running off. Someone threw trash in your yard, a kid called your kid names, etc.
I can’t believe I had to spell that out for you!

five seconds ago you were arguing for the cops to be called to deal with mentally ill people and dog attacks, now those things are “calling the cops for stupid shit”? pick a lane, damn.

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... e-1007254/

Not calling the cop for stupid shit doesn’t mean they need to be defunded.

[Frau Holle]

I can’t imagine that leaving the helpless to defend themselves is the right way to go about things.

[Frau Holle]

Rightly so. We've pushed so many societal problems into the police and they are not properly equipped to deal with them. Redirect those resources to social workers, non profits, organizers, etc. We militarize the police and then make them respond to everything, and, well, when your only tool is a hammer...

What are Americans going to do when a child gets kidnapped?

Alert all police, surround the area as quick as possible and block as many roadways as possible , and send out amber alerts to all citizens until the child is found...


Or call a social worker and hope they can find the child?


What should Americans do when a hostage situation occurs? Call the police and SWAT team with negotiator thereby giving the hostages the best chance for survival by setting up a proactive and defensive effort,

Or call just the negotiator alone and hope words are enough?

What should Americans do if their car is stolen and they have a ring doorbell that caught it on tape?

Give it to the police so they can retrieve his car and charge the thief? Or go get their brothers and a few friends to get it back with chains and bats in their hands?

The police are needed because without them, people handle the problem themselves. And everyone has a different on how far street justice should go.

[Della]

Rightly so. We've pushed so many societal problems into the police and they are not properly equipped to deal with them. Redirect those resources to social workers, non profits, organizers, etc. We militarize the police and then make them respond to everything, and, well, when your only tool is a hammer...

What are Americans going to do when a child gets kidnapped?

Alert all police, surround the area as quick as possible and block as many roadways as possible , and send out amber alerts to all citizens until the child is found...


Or call a social worker and hope they can find the child?


What should Americans do when a hostage situation occurs? Call the police and SWAT team with negotiator thereby giving the hostages the best chance for survival by setting up a proactive and defensive effort,

Or call just the negotiator alone and hope words are enough?

What should Americans do if their car is stolen and they have a ring doorbell that caught it on tape?

Give it to the police so they can retrieve his car and charge the thief? Or go get their brothers and a few friends to get it back with chains and bats in their hands?

The police are needed because without them, people handle the problem themselves. And everyone has a different on how far street justice should go.

We have put too much on LE. I don't think anyone is really wanting to eliminate law enforcement altogether, I'm certainly not.

[SouthernIslander]

Please tell me there are more people in this group that has more sense than this.

I agree that this isn’t a rational. What do you think is a reasonable solution?

Stiffer consequences and complaints not swept under the run. Better investigations into complaints on cops. Termination when called for, like that cop that pushed the elderly guy he should be fired and charged with assault.
More training on how to calm a situation down and proper responses under high stress situations. I’ll use the example of the elderly guy again, I think the push was due to stress and it was the wrong reaction. We teach our children that actions have consequences no matter the reason and that should apply to police.

I agree and we need more positive solutions too. From
my experience, a part of the problem is police are serving communities they don’t take the time or have the opportunity to get to know, so both sides only interact when there are problems. There are police out there like Officer Norman who are involved in the communities but they aren’t given the resources to train other officers on community policing and it’s grossly overlooked as far as a solution.

But all of these initiatives will take funding, so we have to be more reasonable about that and think more out of the box IMO.

[moviestar]

the article you quoted was specifically talking about cops responding to calls that should be handled by mental health professionals and dog wardens.

you are like a case study for for the dunning kruger effect.

Seriously? A dog bite is not stupid shit. Dog attacks are a matter of the law. A mentally ill person destroying a store or threatening people, etc. IS a matter of the law and not stupid shit! You seriously have no comment send do you?!
Stupid shit would be a loose dog, kids ringing the door bell and running off. Someone threw trash in your yard, a kid called your kid names, etc.
I can’t believe I had to spell that out for you!

five seconds ago you were arguing for the cops to be called to deal with mentally ill people and dog attacks, now those things are “calling the cops for stupid shit”? pick a lane, damn.

Not calling the cop for stupid shit doesn’t mean they need to be defunded.

[moviestar]

Nobody is trying to get rid of the police altogether. People just don’t think they need to be buying tanks and tear gas. Put some of that funding to other programs that would take the place of unnecessary police response and let the cops worry about kidnappings and car thefts like they should be anyway.

Rightly so. We've pushed so many societal problems into the police and they are not properly equipped to deal with them. Redirect those resources to social workers, non profits, organizers, etc. We militarize the police and then make them respond to everything, and, well, when your only tool is a hammer...

What are Americans going to do when a child gets kidnapped?

Alert all police, surround the area as quick as possible and block as many roadways as possible , and send out amber alerts to all citizens until the child is found...


Or call a social worker and hope they can find the child?


What should Americans do when a hostage situation occurs? Call the police and SWAT team with negotiator thereby giving the hostages the best chance for survival by setting up a proactive and defensive effort,

Or call just the negotiator alone and hope words are enough?

What should Americans do if their car is stolen and they have a ring doorbell that caught it on tape?

Give it to the police so they can retrieve his car and charge the thief? Or go get their brothers and a few friends to get it back with chains and bats in their hands?

The police are needed because without them, people handle the problem themselves. And everyone has a different on how far street justice should go.

[Frau Holle]

Rightly so. We've pushed so many societal problems into the police and they are not properly equipped to deal with them. Redirect those resources to social workers, non profits, organizers, etc. We militarize the police and then make them respond to everything, and, well, when your only tool is a hammer...

What are Americans going to do when a child gets kidnapped?

Alert all police, surround the area as quick as possible and block as many roadways as possible , and send out amber alerts to all citizens until the child is found...


Or call a social worker and hope they can find the child?


What should Americans do when a hostage situation occurs? Call the police and SWAT team with negotiator thereby giving the hostages the best chance for survival by setting up a proactive and defensive effort,

Or call just the negotiator alone and hope words are enough?

What should Americans do if their car is stolen and they have a ring doorbell that caught it on tape?

Give it to the police so they can retrieve his car and charge the thief? Or go get their brothers and a few friends to get it back with chains and bats in their hands?

The police are needed because without them, people handle the problem themselves. And everyone has a different on how far street justice should go.

We have put too much on LE. I don't think anyone is really wanting to eliminate law enforcement altogether, I'm certainly not.

What does it mean to put too much on them?