I wonder how the label on the box will look

[Della]

I am impressed. This is the kind of beneficial socialism move that makes a country strong.

There can be harmful aspects as well, but this is not one of them.

If I believed this was a compassionate move, I would agree. But, imo, this is a two fold move to benefit the president.

1) It's more campaigning at taxpayer expense.

And,

2) It's another giveaway to the agricultural industry which is mostly a part of his base.

"More recently, in the wake of an international retaliation to what are casually known as the Trump tariffs, the CCC was heavily invoked again. That is, In July 2018, Trump's administration announced that it would use the CCC, to pay farmers up to $12 billion. This aid was increased to $28 billion in May 2019.[1] The CCC attempts to offset losses in the American agricultural sector resulting from retaliatory tariffs from the European Union, China, and other states.[2] It was estimated by the USDA that in 2019 these and other aid payments constituted one third of total American farm income.[3] "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/commodi ... orporation

This has been a common thing with presidents and it bugs me.

When people don’t have food, the government should provide it and they are doing that.

I don’t see this as any different than what any other president would do as well.

I don't disagree. However, the majority of this assistance will wind up in the hands of corporate conglomerates.

[Lemons]

I am impressed. This is the kind of beneficial socialism move that makes a country strong.

There can be harmful aspects as well, but this is not one of them.

If I believed this was a compassionate move, I would agree. But, imo, this is a two fold move to benefit the president.

1) It's more campaigning at taxpayer expense.

And,

2) It's another giveaway to the agricultural industry which is mostly a part of his base.

"More recently, in the wake of an international retaliation to what are casually known as the Trump tariffs, the CCC was heavily invoked again. That is, In July 2018, Trump's administration announced that it would use the CCC, to pay farmers up to $12 billion. This aid was increased to $28 billion in May 2019.[1] The CCC attempts to offset losses in the American agricultural sector resulting from retaliatory tariffs from the European Union, China, and other states.[2] It was estimated by the USDA that in 2019 these and other aid payments constituted one third of total American farm income.[3] "

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/commodi ... orporation

This has been a common thing with presidents and it bugs me.

When people don’t have food, the government should provide it and they are doing that.

I don’t see this as any different than what any other president would do as well.

For Europeans that makes total sense. But we have a president who bragged at a rally a few months ago that he eliminated food stamps for a couple of million poor people. His base cheered like that was an incredible achievement. They found out how quickly it could happen to them I guess.

[Valentina327]

I hope it has Trumps picture on it.

It will either be that or a letter from him tucked inside the box, lol.

I was thinking more along the lines of his signature on the side of the box.

Love him or hate him, that's a pretty great program though.

[moviestar]

Just to clarify:

Staying home to help stop the spread of a dangerous virus: not communist

this: totally communist

I hope it has Trumps picture on it.

It will either be that or a letter from him tucked inside the box, lol.

I was thinking more along the lines of his signature on the side of the box.

Love him or hate him, that's a pretty great program though.

[Valentina327]

Just to clarify:

Staying home to help stop the spread of a dangerous virus: not communist

this: totally communist

It will either be that or a letter from him tucked inside the box, lol.

I was thinking more along the lines of his signature on the side of the box.

Love him or hate him, that's a pretty great program though.

What's communist about sending food to people who overnight had their right to earn a living taken away who can no longer afford food because of it? What's communist about helping farmers who've been having to waste crops and livestock due, again, to having their right to earn a living taken away overnight? It helps two groups of people simultaneously. It's vital that farmers are kept from completely crashing, because of agriculture shuts down, our entire nation starves. We're already experiencing various shortages across the country as it is with processing plants being closed, etc.

It's not like it's a random business getting a bailout because they mismanaged it. Farmers are the backbone. If it were communist, the government would be overtaking the farms and would own them. They're not taking title to these farms. Big difference.

[moviestar]

“from each according to his ability to each according to his need.” Buying the food from farmers because they’re struggling is communist. Giving the food to people because THEY are struggling is a communist act. It doesn’t change what it is if you agree with the reasoning behind it.

Just to clarify:

Staying home to help stop the spread of a dangerous virus: not communist

this: totally communist

I was thinking more along the lines of his signature on the side of the box.

Love him or hate him, that's a pretty great program though.

What's communist about sending food to people who overnight had their right to earn a living taken away who can no longer afford food because of it? What's communist about helping farmers who've been having to waste crops and livestock due, again, to having their right to earn a living taken away overnight? It helps two groups of people simultaneously. It's vital that farmers are kept from completely crashing, because of agriculture shuts down, our entire nation starves. We're already experiencing various shortages across the country as it is with processing plants being closed, etc.

It's not like it's a random business getting a bailout because they mismanaged it. Farmers are the backbone. If it were communist, the government would be overtaking the farms and would own them. They're not taking title to these farms. Big difference.

[WellPreserved]

I haven't had a chance to read the details but it seems a lot like the program that USDA put out a few weeks ago - purchasing product from farmers and distributing to those who need it through local food banks. Several of the farmers I represent have taken part in the program and it's amazing - no meat as there is still the processing issue. Middle men are needed to get product from farm to distribution but processing for meat products is also needed. My hope is that the middlemen don't become the corporate distribution agencies but rather independent distribution is utilized first. I just feel that this is going to be a money grab by corporate food companies and it will only trickle down in unmeaningful ways to the local food banks/food distributors who are truly feeding the local populations.

[Valentina327]

“from each according to his ability to each according to his need.” Buying the food from farmers because they’re struggling is communist. Giving the food to people because THEY are struggling is a communist act. It doesn’t change what it is if you agree with the reasoning behind it.

Just to clarify:

Staying home to help stop the spread of a dangerous virus: not communist

this: totally communist

What's communist about sending food to people who overnight had their right to earn a living taken away who can no longer afford food because of it? What's communist about helping farmers who've been having to waste crops and livestock due, again, to having their right to earn a living taken away overnight? It helps two groups of people simultaneously. It's vital that farmers are kept from completely crashing, because of agriculture shuts down, our entire nation starves. We're already experiencing various shortages across the country as it is with processing plants being closed, etc.

It's not like it's a random business getting a bailout because they mismanaged it. Farmers are the backbone. If it were communist, the government would be overtaking the farms and would own them. They're not taking title to these farms. Big difference.

Well the democrats got their way then, didn't they? Instant communism. Instead of slowly sneaking it in over a period of years as they have been, which Trump is blocking, they were lucky enough to get a "virus". How fortunate. They didn't need Hillary in office to complete the grand plan.

The problem is, as it's always been, that it's not sustainable. You're going to run out of other people's money to pass out. Then what?

[moviestar]

Are you saying you no longer think this is a “pretty great program”?

“from each according to his ability to each according to his need.” Buying the food from farmers because they’re struggling is communist. Giving the food to people because THEY are struggling is a communist act. It doesn’t change what it is if you agree with the reasoning behind it.

What's communist about sending food to people who overnight had their right to earn a living taken away who can no longer afford food because of it? What's communist about helping farmers who've been having to waste crops and livestock due, again, to having their right to earn a living taken away overnight? It helps two groups of people simultaneously. It's vital that farmers are kept from completely crashing, because of agriculture shuts down, our entire nation starves. We're already experiencing various shortages across the country as it is with processing plants being closed, etc.

It's not like it's a random business getting a bailout because they mismanaged it. Farmers are the backbone. If it were communist, the government would be overtaking the farms and would own them. They're not taking title to these farms. Big difference.

Well the democrats got their way then, didn't they? Instant communism. Instead of slowly sneaking it in over a period of years as they have been, which Trump is blocking, they were lucky enough to get a "virus". How fortunate. They didn't need Hillary in office to complete the grand plan.

The problem is, as it's always been, that it's not sustainable. You're going to run out of other people's money to pass out. Then what?

[Valentina327]

Are you saying you no longer think this is a “pretty great program”?

“from each according to his ability to each according to his need.” Buying the food from farmers because they’re struggling is communist. Giving the food to people because THEY are struggling is a communist act. It doesn’t change what it is if you agree with the reasoning behind it.

Well the democrats got their way then, didn't they? Instant communism. Instead of slowly sneaking it in over a period of years as they have been, which Trump is blocking, they were lucky enough to get a "virus". How fortunate. They didn't need Hillary in office to complete the grand plan.

The problem is, as it's always been, that it's not sustainable. You're going to run out of other people's money to pass out. Then what?

Not at all what I'm saying. I'm just not going to argue semantics with someone who very clearly expresses communist leanings and this is how you have this action twisted in your mind.

It's vital to our entire nation that the farmers are able to keep going and that people are able to feed their families. Both groups have overnight had their ability to earn a living taken away by their local government shutting their businesses down, thereby rendering them instantly without income.

The farmers have been being told the last several weeks to abort livestock and destroy others that were ready for processing. They've also been instructed by the feds to dump milk and plow under vegetables. The supply chain has been breaking. It's the right thing to do in light of this crisis that action is being taken to keep them floating.

This wasn't any kind of a failure on anyone's part. This was an artificial event, beyond anyone's control. This wasn't a failure of capitalism, which is the argument I'm sure you're going to try to make. I've already seen your bookend try to claim that, which is beyond preposterous. There was an outside event, beyond these people's control, the likes of which haven't been seen in recent history. I'd expect in the case of a national emergency any decent leader to do something like this.