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'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:34 pm
by jessilin0113
I will be honest. I did not for one second think that the Senate would vote to impeach the president. I'm legitimately sad that they aren't even pretending to be the deliberative body they historically were and are supposed to be. I should be shocked by what Graham and McConnell are saying, but they have proven to be such craven, cynical, pathetic cowards, it's not surprising in the least. I truly,
truly dont understand carrying Trump's water like this.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/14/poli ... ssion=true
Also, stop F***ing saying this:
The American people didn't believe that. They made him their president."
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:55 pm
by Francee89
I mean, we all know he’s nothing but the President’s lapdog, but it’s good that he keeps hammering it home so he can’t eventually pretend it wasn’t the case when being a Trump bootlicker isn’t his best conduit to power and relevance.
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:55 pm
by Lemons
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:34 pm
I will be honest. I did not for one second think that the Senate would vote to impeach the president. I'm legitimately sad that they aren't even pretending to be the deliberative body they historically were and are supposed to be. I should be shocked by what Graham and McConnell are saying, but they have proven to be such craven, cynical, pathetic cowards, it's not surprising in the least. I truly,
truly dont understand carrying Trump's water like this.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/14/poli ... ssion=true
Also, stop F***ing saying this:
The American people didn't believe that. They made him their president."
I know. They keep saying "the American people" made him president. Trump has never had the majority of American people who have wanted him to be president. Never.
It's jury nullification and they are shameless enough to let everyone know from the very beginning what they are planning. Their base loves it, their voters love it. That's all that matters to them.
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:45 pm
by moviestar
why wouldn’t he, he’s perfectly brazen now in pretending that he didn’t spend the entire 2015/16 primary season talking about how trump was an incompetent nutcase and nominating him would spell the end of the republican party
Francee89 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:55 pm
I mean, we all know he’s nothing but the President’s lapdog, but it’s good that he keeps hammering it home so he can’t eventually pretend it wasn’t the case when being a Trump bootlicker isn’t his best conduit to power and relevance.
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:53 pm
by Francee89
moviestar wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:45 pm
why wouldn’t he, he’s perfectly brazen now in pretending that he didn’t spend the entire 2015/16 primary season talking about how trump was an incompetent nutcase and nominating him would spell the end of the republican party
Francee89 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:55 pm
I mean, we all know he’s nothing but the President’s lapdog, but it’s good that he keeps hammering it home so he can’t eventually pretend it wasn’t the case when being a Trump bootlicker isn’t his best conduit to power and relevance.
True, and in acting like his pearls weren’t near snapping from clutching in horror and that his knickers didn’t almost rip from twisting in his furious glee to impeach Clinton in the 90s.
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:28 pm
by Valentina327
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:34 pm
I will be honest. I did not for one second think that the Senate would vote to impeach the president. I'm legitimately sad that they aren't even pretending to be the deliberative body they historically were and are supposed to be. I should be shocked by what Graham and McConnell are saying, but they have proven to be such craven, cynical, pathetic cowards, it's not surprising in the least. I truly,
truly dont understand carrying Trump's water like this.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/14/poli ... ssion=true
Also, stop F***ing saying this:
The American people didn't believe that. They made him their president."
You don't think they've deliberated all of this time? They've seen the testimony. They've had the opportunity to weigh everything amongst each other simultaneous to what Congress has been conducting. I think they've been pondering this whole time.
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:38 pm
by Lemons
Valentina327 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:28 pm
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:34 pm
I will be honest. I did not for one second think that the Senate would vote to impeach the president. I'm legitimately sad that they aren't even pretending to be the deliberative body they historically were and are supposed to be. I should be shocked by what Graham and McConnell are saying, but they have proven to be such craven, cynical, pathetic cowards, it's not surprising in the least. I truly,
truly dont understand carrying Trump's water like this.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/14/poli ... ssion=true
Also, stop F***ing saying this:
The American people didn't believe that. They made him their president."
You don't think they've deliberated all of this time? They've seen the testimony. They've had the opportunity to weigh everything amongst each other simultaneous to what Congress has been conducting. I think they've been pondering this whole time.
That's not the way it works. When choosing juries they always ask what they already know about the case. They want jurors who haven't made up their minds already based on bits and pieces of information they may have heard. They want decisions based solely on what they hear in the trial. It's not the exact same but close enough. No one in the Senate has even had a chance to ask their own questions.
Can't have it both ways. Can't use legal terms like "hearsay", trying to use rules of civil procedure when it fits you, but ignore other aspects of rules when it suits you. Senator Graham.
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:50 pm
by Valentina327
Lemons wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:38 pm
Valentina327 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:28 pm
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:34 pm
I will be honest. I did not for one second think that the Senate would vote to impeach the president. I'm legitimately sad that they aren't even pretending to be the deliberative body they historically were and are supposed to be. I should be shocked by what Graham and McConnell are saying, but they have proven to be such craven, cynical, pathetic cowards, it's not surprising in the least. I truly,
truly dont understand carrying Trump's water like this.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/14/poli ... ssion=true
Also, stop F***ing saying this:
You don't think they've deliberated all of this time? They've seen the testimony. They've had the opportunity to weigh everything amongst each other simultaneous to what Congress has been conducting. I think they've been pondering this whole time.
That's not the way it works. When choosing juries they always ask what they already know about the case. They want jurors who haven't made up their minds already based on bits and pieces of information they may have heard. They want decisions based solely on what they hear in the trial. It's not the exact same but close enough. No one in the Senate has even had a chance to ask their own questions.
Can't have it both ways. Can't use legal terms like "hearsay", trying to use rules of civil procedure when it fits you, but ignore other aspects of rules when it suits you. Senator Graham.
I was reading something a couple of days ago that one of the senators suggested they may skip even calling witnesses. I don't know if that's accurate or not. It'll definitely be interesting to see what happens in the coming weeks.
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:58 pm
by Lemons
Valentina327 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:50 pm
Lemons wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:38 pm
Valentina327 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:28 pm
You don't think they've deliberated all of this time? They've seen the testimony. They've had the opportunity to weigh everything amongst each other simultaneous to what Congress has been conducting. I think they've been pondering this whole time.
That's not the way it works. When choosing juries they always ask what they already know about the case. They want jurors who haven't made up their minds already based on bits and pieces of information they may have heard. They want decisions based solely on what they hear in the trial. It's not the exact same but close enough. No one in the Senate has even had a chance to ask their own questions.
Can't have it both ways. Can't use legal terms like "hearsay", trying to use rules of civil procedure when it fits you, but ignore other aspects of rules when it suits you. Senator Graham.
I was reading something a couple of days ago that one of the senators suggested they may skip even calling witnesses. I don't know if that's accurate or not. It'll definitely be interesting to see what happens in the coming weeks.
They have all made up their minds already. Since the Republicans have the majority he won't be removed from office. I could not believe how long the preliminary hearings were. They were broken records repeating themselves over and over.
There's no doubt what was behind Trump's phone call. He specifically had it arranged that the Ukrainian president was to go on CNN and publicly announce they were investigating Biden thereby ending Biden's chances. Just like the Email investigation announcement right before the elections hurt Clinton in 2016. Hard to prove though.
Re: 'I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here': Graham predicts Trump impeachment will 'die quickly' in Senate
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:11 pm
by jessilin0113
Valentina327 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:28 pm
jessilin0113 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:34 pm
I will be honest. I did not for one second think that the Senate would vote to impeach the president. I'm legitimately sad that they aren't even pretending to be the deliberative body they historically were and are supposed to be. I should be shocked by what Graham and McConnell are saying, but they have proven to be such craven, cynical, pathetic cowards, it's not surprising in the least. I truly,
truly dont understand carrying Trump's water like this.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/14/poli ... ssion=true
Also, stop F***ing saying this:
The American people didn't believe that. They made him their president."
You don't think they've deliberated all of this time? They've seen the testimony. They've had the opportunity to weigh everything amongst each other simultaneous to what Congress has been conducting. I think they've been pondering this whole time.
So all their complaints about fairness, due process, the president not being able to mount a defense, etc., were all BS. Now that they have the opportunity for all of those things, they're copping out. They complain that rules weren't followed then refuse to follow the rules. Not surprising, that's been the GOP MO since 2008. It's because they know he's guilty as hell and they can't defend him, so they're taking their ball and going home. Utter cowards.
