The npr article has links to the four studies:Emandab wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:32 amPlease cite those studies. I'm sure you have before since you are confident you are correct, but I must have missed it. I must warn you, I am particular with reputable sources. So a study by BuzzFeed won't cut it for me.Mother_of_Dragons wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:11 pm Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show
The Trump administration regularly asserts that undocumented immigrants are predatory and threaten public safety. Immigrant advocates say that talk demonizes an entire class of people.
Now, four academic studies show that illegal immigration does not increase the prevalence of violent crime or drug and alcohol problems. In the slew of research, motivated by Trump's rhetoric, social scientists set out to answer this question: Are undocumented immigrants more likely to break the law?
NEARLY 80 PERCENT OF AMERICANS DO NOT BELIEVE IMMIGRATION BOOSTS CRIME
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Would that be legal or illegal immigration ? If illegal it's already a BOOST in crime , hence "ILLEGAL".
I did...Emandab wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:32 amPlease cite those studies. I'm sure you have before since you are confident you are correct, but I must have missed it. I must warn you, I am particular with reputable sources. So a study by BuzzFeed won't cut it for me.Mother_of_Dragons wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:11 pm Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show
The Trump administration regularly asserts that undocumented immigrants are predatory and threaten public safety. Immigrant advocates say that talk demonizes an entire class of people.
Now, four academic studies show that illegal immigration does not increase the prevalence of violent crime or drug and alcohol problems. In the slew of research, motivated by Trump's rhetoric, social scientists set out to answer this question: Are undocumented immigrants more likely to break the law?
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Okay I listened. It was very obtuse. Common sense folks know that an illegal immigrant isn't a violent offender simply because they are an illegal immigrant. However if an illegal immigrant does happen to be an ax murdered and commits a murder in this country, then even an idiot should be able to come to the conclusion that crime, in this country, rose because of that person. If that person had not been in this country, the crime would not have occurred in this country. I'm not one to jump on the deport them all bandwagon but If you commit a violent crime, you should be punished by our laws then promptly kicked out of this country. And we should make it as difficult as humanly possible for you to return.msb64 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:39 amThe npr article has links to the four studies:Emandab wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:32 amPlease cite those studies. I'm sure you have before since you are confident you are correct, but I must have missed it. I must warn you, I am particular with reputable sources. So a study by BuzzFeed won't cut it for me.Mother_of_Dragons wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:11 pm Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show
You don't have to listen. If you click on the link, NPR also provides a text article with links to the studies.Emandab wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:17 pmOkay I listened. It was very obtuse. Common sense folks know that an illegal immigrant isn't a violent offender simply because they are an illegal immigrant. However if an illegal immigrant does happen to be an ax murdered and commits a murder in this country, then even an idiot should be able to come to the conclusion that crime, in this country, rose because of that person. If that person had not been in this country, the crime would not have occurred in this country. I'm not one to jump on the deport them all bandwagon but If you commit a violent crime, you should be punished by our laws then promptly kicked out of this country. And we should make it as difficult as humanly possible for you to return.
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Except for the "somehow" part.wildflowers25 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:11 pmAre you saying that 1500 people is not 80% of Americans and is somehow inaccurate?!
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I’d be curious as to see the actual poll questions as well. I tend to be skeptical of any polls regardless of results as there are so many flaws imo to using polls for generalizations.29again wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:06 pm Is there a link to the survey? What were the questions that were asked? And, who were polled?
Everybody knows that you can make a survey/poll say what you want it to say based on who and how you ask. So, this sounds very questionable to me.
Yes, most Americans have no problem with legal immigration. Now, illegal immigration is a different thing altogether. So, I really have to wonder if the survey questions made ANY distinction between the two.
I think there is a LOT of deflection from our immigration policies to continue to ignore flaws. Politicians and news media focuses on walls and such instead of asking, what to me seem like logical questions and looking for the answers. I think we need to review and revisit our immigration policies and procedures. Just a small example, is cost. The average cost should be under $1000 per person. Which sounds fair and reasonable, yet the people I know who have gone through this process have paid on average between 10-20,000 and a few upwards of 30,000(the few that it was 30,000 this does include visa renewals). People are paying between 3000 - 4000 to human traffickers to illegally enter a country in which legal immigration should only cost $1000 yet no one asks why? I don’t think a completely open border is the answer. The massive population boom the first few years could have negative impacts in some areas, but we do need to look at making changes.
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I absolutely agree about the cost issues you brought up. It shouldn't cost tens of thousands to become a citizen here. I think that we need to revisit the laws that are on the books, actually see what they ARE, since they haven't been fully enforced for quite a long time. I am sure there are some that should be gone, some tweaked, and some kept. But I really think that most of us don't even know what the laws are any more, if we ever did know what they were.Quorra2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:32 pmI’d be curious as to see the actual poll questions as well. I tend to be skeptical of any polls regardless of results as there are so many flaws imo to using polls for generalizations.29again wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:06 pm Is there a link to the survey? What were the questions that were asked? And, who were polled?
Everybody knows that you can make a survey/poll say what you want it to say based on who and how you ask. So, this sounds very questionable to me.
Yes, most Americans have no problem with legal immigration. Now, illegal immigration is a different thing altogether. So, I really have to wonder if the survey questions made ANY distinction between the two.
I think there is a LOT of deflection from our immigration policies to continue to ignore flaws. Politicians and news media focuses on walls and such instead of asking, what to me seem like logical questions and looking for the answers. I think we need to review and revisit our immigration policies and procedures. Just a small example, is cost. The average cost should be under $1000 per person. Which sounds fair and reasonable, yet the people I know who have gone through this process have paid on average between 10-20,000 and a few upwards of 30,000(the few that it was 30,000 this does include visa renewals). People are paying between 3000 - 4000 to human traffickers to illegally enter a country in which legal immigration should only cost $1000 yet no one asks why? I don’t think a completely open border is the answer. The massive population boom the first few years could have negative impacts in some areas, but we do need to look at making changes.
Oh, and about the cost... I keep hearing that these immigrants are living in such poverty, that coming illegally is the only hope they have for a future. Yet, they can pay thousands to someone to smuggle them into the country? That just makes no logical sense to me.. what do I have wrong about the situation?
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