Should we stop saying “people of color”?

[Quorra2.0]

Do you think it’s beneficial to the ultimate goal of inclusion for white children to be taught there is an “us and them”?

Do all minorities feel that disconnect in the same way/ are the outcomes to that disconnect equal?

I am not entertaining the shaming by implying that I support mistreating children.

As far as the other question. No racial group is perfect, we all have areas of improvement. But yes, multiple minority groups have similar complaints about white people if that is what you’re asking.

What are you talking about? There’s absolutely nothing that I said which even implies that you mistreat children, or support mistreating children…

That is what white children learn. They learn they are white, and with this terminology, that everyone else is a person of color. They learn some issues affect us, some affect them… some things are more likely to happen for us, some things aren’t as likely to happen to them… they literally learn that when it comes to how we will experience life in this country, there is an us, and there is a them…



Is that a good thing? Should “them” include anyone who is different than white people, and should the experiences of all those different minority groups be viewed as the same?

As a society, we aren’t there yet. We, general, slowed that social progress down when so many decided to be colorblind. Changes that needed to happen didn’t. If everyone is an ‘us’ before we have equity, before it’s been strongly cemented, before people have time to heal, then it’s too easy to ignore and not see that an all inclusive “us” is still “us” vs “them”.

[SlimShady]

I am not entertaining the shaming by implying that I support mistreating children.

As far as the other question. No racial group is perfect, we all have areas of improvement. But yes, multiple minority groups have similar complaints about white people if that is what you’re asking.

What are you talking about? There’s absolutely nothing that I said which even implies that you mistreat children, or support mistreating children…

That is what white children learn. They learn they are white, and with this terminology, that everyone else is a person of color. They learn some issues affect us, some affect them… some things are more likely to happen for us, some things aren’t as likely to happen to them… they literally learn that when it comes to how we will experience life in this country, there is an us, and there is a them…



Is that a good thing? Should “them” include anyone who is different than white people, and should the experiences of all those different minority groups be viewed as the same?

Do you want to know the common threads that divides white people from minorities or not??

This isn’t just about white kids.

I didn’t say it was about white kids… you seemed to think me questioning the phrase’s meaning when taught to white kids somehow meant I was Implying you support mistreating children, so I expanded on that subject to further explain.

I’m not sure there are common threads that divide all minorities in the same way from white people, but I’m all ears if there are…

[SallyMae]

Ramaswamy is dogwhistling to white Republican voters who are tired of feeling like people blame them personally for racial enmity. Ironically, he is whitewashing the exact reason why Trump Republicans will never support him.

I think we should directly address the needs of white Republican voters who are tired of feeling like people blame them. But this tweet is just chum.

[SouthernIslander]

What are you talking about? There’s absolutely nothing that I said which even implies that you mistreat children, or support mistreating children…

That is what white children learn. They learn they are white, and with this terminology, that everyone else is a person of color. They learn some issues affect us, some affect them… some things are more likely to happen for us, some things aren’t as likely to happen to them… they literally learn that when it comes to how we will experience life in this country, there is an us, and there is a them…



Is that a good thing? Should “them” include anyone who is different than white people, and should the experiences of all those different minority groups be viewed as the same?

Do you want to know the common threads that divides white people from minorities or not??

This isn’t just about white kids.

I didn’t say it was about white kids… you seemed to think me questioning the phrase’s meaning when taught to white kids somehow meant I was Implying you support mistreating children, so I expanded on that subject to further explain.

I’m not sure there are common threads that divide all minorities in the same way from white people, but I’m all ears if there are…

Stereotypical white people have a reputation for not having cultural boundaries, a compulsive need to control everything and expect everyone to just forget about the horrific shit they have done to people throughout history. I know many white people who do not fall in that category and do not force white washed views down people's throats. People have a right to distance themselves from the extremists who do. I don't have a problem if Ramaswamy chooses not to identify as a POC but as far ask asking people to stop using the term all together......the answer is NO. Bottom line, a lot of horrific oppression has contributed to building this country. That is not going to heal over night and it can't be forced.


I hope that makes more sense.

[SlimShady]

Do you want to know the common threads that divides white people from minorities or not??

This isn’t just about white kids.

I didn’t say it was about white kids… you seemed to think me questioning the phrase’s meaning when taught to white kids somehow meant I was Implying you support mistreating children, so I expanded on that subject to further explain.

I’m not sure there are common threads that divide all minorities in the same way from white people, but I’m all ears if there are…

Stereotypical white people have a reputation for not having cultural boundaries, a compulsive need to control everything and expect everyone to just forget about the horrific shit they have done to people throughout history. I know many white people who do not fall in that category and do not force white washed views down people's throats. People have a right to distance themselves from the extremists who do. I don't have a problem if Ramaswamy chooses not to identify as a POC but as far ask asking people to stop using the term all together......the answer is NO. Bottom line, a lot of horrific oppression has contributed to building this country. That is not going to heal over night and it can't be forced.


I hope that makes more sense.

Hmm…


So negative connotations are why there’s a needed divider between white people and everyone else. We need to uphold that stereotype in order for anyone who isn’t white to heal.


We’ve already come to the conclusion that holding truth behind the stereotypes that are held against Black people, Hispanic people, Asian people ect. Are wrong, unhealthy and lead to further disputes… but when it comes to white people, holding onto those stereotypes in modern day typical language is needed.



Or maybe I’m misunderstanding what “separating themselves from the extremists” means in this context?

[SlimShady]

I am not entertaining the shaming by implying that I support mistreating children.

As far as the other question. No racial group is perfect, we all have areas of improvement. But yes, multiple minority groups have similar complaints about white people if that is what you’re asking.

What are you talking about? There’s absolutely nothing that I said which even implies that you mistreat children, or support mistreating children…

That is what white children learn. They learn they are white, and with this terminology, that everyone else is a person of color. They learn some issues affect us, some affect them… some things are more likely to happen for us, some things aren’t as likely to happen to them… they literally learn that when it comes to how we will experience life in this country, there is an us, and there is a them…



Is that a good thing? Should “them” include anyone who is different than white people, and should the experiences of all those different minority groups be viewed as the same?

As a society, we aren’t there yet. We, general, slowed that social progress down when so many decided to be colorblind. Changes that needed to happen didn’t. If everyone is an ‘us’ before we have equity, before it’s been strongly cemented, before people have time to heal, then it’s too easy to ignore and not see that an all inclusive “us” is still “us” vs “them”.

The “us” would be all Americans, but that wouldn’t change anything about certain groups being helped in different ways. India, Iran and Chinese immigrants don’t have the same equitable needs as Black, Hispanic and Native American women do though….

[SouthernIslander]

I didn’t say it was about white kids… you seemed to think me questioning the phrase’s meaning when taught to white kids somehow meant I was Implying you support mistreating children, so I expanded on that subject to further explain.

I’m not sure there are common threads that divide all minorities in the same way from white people, but I’m all ears if there are…

Stereotypical white people have a reputation for not having cultural boundaries, a compulsive need to control everything and expect everyone to just forget about the horrific shit they have done to people throughout history. I know many white people who do not fall in that category and do not force white washed views down people's throats. People have a right to distance themselves from the extremists who do. I don't have a problem if Ramaswamy chooses not to identify as a POC but as far ask asking people to stop using the term all together......the answer is NO. Bottom line, a lot of horrific oppression has contributed to building this country. That is not going to heal over night and it can't be forced.


I hope that makes more sense.

Hmm…


So negative connotations are why there’s a needed divider between white people and everyone else. We need to uphold that stereotype in order for anyone who isn’t white to heal.


We’ve already come to the conclusion that holding truth behind the stereotypes that are held against Black people, Hispanic people, Asian people ect. Are wrong, unhealthy and lead to further disputes… but when it comes to white people, holding onto those stereotypes in modern day typical language is needed.



Or maybe I’m misunderstanding what “separating themselves from the extremists” means in this context?

All groups have their areas of improvement. I’m explaining to you why minorities still separate themselves from whites and why we are not going to stop using the term person of color.

[SouthernIslander]

Ramaswamy is dogwhistling to white Republican voters who are tired of feeling like people blame them personally for racial enmity. Ironically, he is whitewashing the exact reason why Trump Republicans will never support him.

I think we should directly address the needs of white Republican voters who are tired of feeling like people blame them. But this tweet is just chum.

Very well said. I don’t have a problem of White Republicans feeling unfairly demonized, because it’s true. But don’t use a minority’s opinion to pander and micromanage how we use the term person of color or force us to consider ourselves all the same thing.

[SlimShady]

Stereotypical white people have a reputation for not having cultural boundaries, a compulsive need to control everything and expect everyone to just forget about the horrific shit they have done to people throughout history. I know many white people who do not fall in that category and do not force white washed views down people's throats. People have a right to distance themselves from the extremists who do. I don't have a problem if Ramaswamy chooses not to identify as a POC but as far ask asking people to stop using the term all together......the answer is NO. Bottom line, a lot of horrific oppression has contributed to building this country. That is not going to heal over night and it can't be forced.


I hope that makes more sense.

Hmm…


So negative connotations are why there’s a needed divider between white people and everyone else. We need to uphold that stereotype in order for anyone who isn’t white to heal.


We’ve already come to the conclusion that holding truth behind the stereotypes that are held against Black people, Hispanic people, Asian people ect. Are wrong, unhealthy and lead to further disputes… but when it comes to white people, holding onto those stereotypes in modern day typical language is needed.



Or maybe I’m misunderstanding what “separating themselves from the extremists” means in this context?

All groups have their areas of improvement. I’m explaining to you why minorities still separate themselves from whites and why we are not going to stop using the term person of color.

Ok… but you just demonstrated why minorities separate themselves from white people using untrue and racially negative stereotypes to illustrate why the separation should be upheld…

Of course you should use whatever terminology you choose, but the question of whether or not this is the most beneficial action to create a better future of inclusion in this country still stands for me…

[SlimShady]

Ramaswamy is dogwhistling to white Republican voters who are tired of feeling like people blame them personally for racial enmity. Ironically, he is whitewashing the exact reason why Trump Republicans will never support him.

I think we should directly address the needs of white Republican voters who are tired of feeling like people blame them. But this tweet is just chum.

Very well said. I don’t have a problem of White Republicans feeling unfairly demonized, because it’s true. But don’t use a minority’s opinion to pander and micromanage how we use the term person of color or force us to consider ourselves all the same thing.

So this is what is confusing to me… you believe it is true that some white republicans are unfairly demonized even though you believe the racially negative stereotypes are defendable,

And you are against a statement (by a POC) saying you shouldn’t all be grouped into the same thing, and don’t want anyone to force you to consider yourself as the same thing…aren’t those two sentences one and the same?