Arizona Supreme Court rules a near-total abortion ban from 1864 is enforceable

[WellPreserved]

Oh FFS

"But according to medical experts and trained herbalists, herbal abortifacients can be dangerous and there isn’t any data on whether they work.

“My hard-line position, for 35 years, has been that they are not reliably effective,” said Dr. Aviva Romm, a women’s health physician, midwife and herbalist who wrote the textbook “Botanical Medicine for Women’s Health.” “And the doses of the herbs that one would have to take for it to possibly be effective are so high that they are virtually always toxic to the pregnant person” or the fetus. After seeing the worrying spread of the misinformation online, she posted a video on Instagram urging her followers not to “listen to what you hear on TikTok.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/well ... royal.html

It’s a good thing I don’t have Tik Tok then.

My opinion comes from three years as an apprentice midwife and 2 years of cultural anthropology centered around birth practices, particularly focused on midwifery. (and yes, that includes abortion methods)

The only thing YOU have is articles to read… that doesn’t mean everyone who has an opinion on this subject is limited to google for their information, nor are they all limited to recent westernized medicine as the only knowledge base.

So if a woman finds herself unintentionally pregnant, should she call load up on parsley and pennyroyal or call you?

[Slimshandy]

Oh FFS

"But according to medical experts and trained herbalists, herbal abortifacients can be dangerous and there isn’t any data on whether they work.

“My hard-line position, for 35 years, has been that they are not reliably effective,” said Dr. Aviva Romm, a women’s health physician, midwife and herbalist who wrote the textbook “Botanical Medicine for Women’s Health.” “And the doses of the herbs that one would have to take for it to possibly be effective are so high that they are virtually always toxic to the pregnant person” or the fetus. After seeing the worrying spread of the misinformation online, she posted a video on Instagram urging her followers not to “listen to what you hear on TikTok.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/well ... royal.html

It’s a good thing I don’t have Tik Tok then.

My opinion comes from three years as an apprentice midwife and 2 years of cultural anthropology centered around birth practices, particularly focused on midwifery. (and yes, that includes abortion methods)

The only thing YOU have is articles to read… that doesn’t mean everyone who has an opinion on this subject is limited to google for their information, nor are they all limited to recent westernized medicine as the only knowledge base.

So if a woman finds herself unintentionally pregnant, should she call load up on parsley and pennyroyal or call you?

She can do whatever she wants…

I’m not attempting to change your mind about anything, nor do I care if you would believe someone is out of options if they are unable to obtain a medical abortion.


Do as thou will.

[Francee89]

Seems a lot like those terrified statements from electorally vulnerable Republicans about how the 1864 law should be repealed immediately were all talk.

[Francee89]

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-tru ... 23da8d8637

[WellPreserved]

It’s a good thing I don’t have Tik Tok then.

My opinion comes from three years as an apprentice midwife and 2 years of cultural anthropology centered around birth practices, particularly focused on midwifery. (and yes, that includes abortion methods)

The only thing YOU have is articles to read… that doesn’t mean everyone who has an opinion on this subject is limited to google for their information, nor are they all limited to recent westernized medicine as the only knowledge base.

So if a woman finds herself unintentionally pregnant, should she call load up on parsley and pennyroyal or call you?

She can do whatever she wants…

I’m not attempting to change your mind about anything, nor do I care if you would believe someone is out of options if they are unable to obtain a medical abortion.


Do as thou will.

Oh there are options. I have a closet full of coat hangers.

[Slimshandy]

So if a woman finds herself unintentionally pregnant, should she call load up on parsley and pennyroyal or call you?

She can do whatever she wants…

I’m not attempting to change your mind about anything, nor do I care if you would believe someone is out of options if they are unable to obtain a medical abortion.


Do as thou will.

Oh there are options. I have a closet full of coat hangers.

If that is the extent of your capability
Again, I don’t give a shit what you do…

[MonarchMom]

By all means… do that.

But the fact still remains, you can control your own body or you can wait for permission to control it.

And for those women who are hemorrhaging during pregnancy? Or have an incomplete miscarriage? Or an ectopic pregnancy? Or a non-viable fetus? Just ingest some herbs and hope for the best?

No, they need hospitalization.

Are you under the impression that I am the one making that difficult for women today?

Not at all. But I do think that remarks like "you can control your own body" with suggestions of herbal remedies minimizes the real threat to women's health done by these laws.

[Slimshandy]

And for those women who are hemorrhaging during pregnancy? Or have an incomplete miscarriage? Or an ectopic pregnancy? Or a non-viable fetus? Just ingest some herbs and hope for the best?

No, they need hospitalization.

Are you under the impression that I am the one making that difficult for women today?

Not at all. But I do think that remarks like "you can control your own body" with suggestions of herbal remedies minimizes the real threat to women's health done by these laws.

I’m not attempting to minimize it.

I’m full on furious at the overstepping the government is taking over women’s bodies.

I’ll vote at every chance to give women back legal autonomy over their own bodies…

I’m also not under the impression that every culture besides westernized medicine were idiots…

[WellPreserved]

And for those women who are hemorrhaging during pregnancy? Or have an incomplete miscarriage? Or an ectopic pregnancy? Or a non-viable fetus? Just ingest some herbs and hope for the best?

No, they need hospitalization.

Are you under the impression that I am the one making that difficult for women today?

Not at all. But I do think that remarks like "you can control your own body" with suggestions of herbal remedies minimizes the real threat to women's health done by these laws.

I think it also minimizes the deaths of the 10s of thousands of women who die from illegal abortions each year in developing countries. Almost 1/2 of the women who are hospitalized after an illegal abortion or an unsuccessful abortion in Zambia where I lived, used herbals, usually prescribed by a traditional healer.

It just screams of an out-of-touch statement made by an American suburbanite from their cushy sofa.

[Della]

Human beings have been using herbal abortifacients for at least the past 6000 years.

Misoprostol = synthetic prostaglandin ; the amount your body produces is based on what you eat.

So, break the law?

If a law is unjust…

Why not fight to change the law? Do you just give up on things or do you sue if necessary?