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[mommy_jules]

Lol that’s how this entire conversation thread has gone for me…I say something and inevitably someone will argue with me just for the sake of disagreeing over semantics…

You trying to argue semantics with Southern about her own personal faith and how she was taught is not the same thing as you being challenged about the semantics of Christianity in general. Don’t want to argue about the semantics of Christianity? Maybe don’t discuss Christianity. Semantics are important when it comes to discussing Christianity.

Kid.

I’m not the one who said I didn’t want to argue semantics.

I’ve quite obviously been arguing them this entire post…

Not very well…

[SlimShady]

You trying to argue semantics with Southern about her own personal faith and how she was taught is not the same thing as you being challenged about the semantics of Christianity in general. Don’t want to argue about the semantics of Christianity? Maybe don’t discuss Christianity. Semantics are important when it comes to discussing Christianity.

Kid.

I’m not the one who said I didn’t want to argue semantics.

I’ve quite obviously been arguing them this entire post…

Not very well…

Being that there’s not a single point I’ve made that your arguments based on semantics have disproven… I think I’m doing alright.


The end happens, new beginning happens…
There’s still nothing new without the end of the old.

[Della]

There's no fear of persecution of Christians in America.

[SallyMae]

Sure…It’s not that anyone particularly wants to be down a mine…

But it was a way that the town flourished, everyone had jobs and could afford daily life, and they didn’t have to rely on the rest of the country for survival.

They just don’t want to trade in one way of life for a way of life that will be ultimately worse than before.

Well who does?? But that is exactly what will happen if they try to be like your Jesus and sleep through the climate crisis without acting. The inequality crisis, too.

We can avert climate disaster, and make a really exciting world where everybody can afford daily life, where every town gets to flourish. It takes exactly one thing that should be in ever-abundant supply - cooperation.

Unfortunately, scarcity has the opposite effect on people. It makes them guard every resource jealously, cling to their cultural divides just for stability, as you have noted. That is what we need to change.

It's like the story of Jesus multiplying the loaves and fishes. I have heard it explained that this was not miraculous...when the multitude had gathered, it seemed like there wasn't enough food for everyone, because each family had their own hidden away. But when Jesus arrived, he implored on the families to cooperate instead of thinking only of themselves. So the families brought forth their food, and when it was all revealed they saw there was more than enough for everyone and leftovers besides.

Our job, yours and mine, and our generation, is to find some way to get people to cooperate instead of fighting, to bring forth instead of hoarding away. There IS far more than enough, enough to give everyone daily life, enough to afford to combat climate disaster. If people trust Jesus, their pastors should be telling them that Jesus wants cooperation. It's the only thing that will help, and anyway, isn't that what He's preaching?

[SlimShady]

Sure…It’s not that anyone particularly wants to be down a mine…

But it was a way that the town flourished, everyone had jobs and could afford daily life, and they didn’t have to rely on the rest of the country for survival.

They just don’t want to trade in one way of life for a way of life that will be ultimately worse than before.

Well who does?? But that is exactly what will happen if they try to be like your Jesus and sleep through the climate crisis without acting. The inequality crisis, too.

We can avert climate disaster, and make a really exciting world where everybody can afford daily life, where every town gets to flourish. It takes exactly one thing that should be in ever-abundant supply - cooperation.

Unfortunately, scarcity has the opposite effect on people. It makes them guard every resource jealously, cling to their cultural divides just for stability, as you have noted. That is what we need to change.

It's like the story of Jesus multiplying the loaves and fishes. I have heard it explained that this was not miraculous...when the multitude had gathered, it seemed like there wasn't enough food for everyone, because each family had their own hidden away. But when Jesus arrived, he implored on the families to cooperate instead of thinking only of themselves. So the families brought forth their food, and when it was all revealed they saw there was more than enough for everyone and leftovers besides.

Our job, yours and mine, and our generation, is to find some way to get people to cooperate instead of fighting, to bring forth instead of hoarding away. There IS far more than enough, enough to give everyone daily life, enough to afford to combat climate disaster. If people trust Jesus, their pastors should be telling them that Jesus wants cooperation. It's the only thing that will help, and anyway, isn't that what He's preaching?

That’s the thing…

They don’t buy it that climate change is spurred on by man. They just don’t…

However,

If you just put it to them like they’re caring for their community and making the land beautiful, they’ll do it.



( But that’s not the story people who read the Bible are going to read… It was considered a miracle because in the story it was one single kid that gave him five loaves of bread and two fish … Jesus fed thousands from that… they didn’t just cooperate that day and decide that was the miracle)

[SallyMae]

That’s the thing…They don’t buy it that climate change is spurred on by man. They just don’t…

However, If you just put it to them like they’re caring for their community and making the land beautiful, they’ll do it.

Thank you, I will incorporate that into my message. And, you can't hide the truth, most people will eventually understand it.

( But that’s not the story people who read the Bible are going to read… It was considered a miracle because in the story it was one single kid that gave him five loaves of bread and two fish … Jesus fed thousands from that… they didn’t just cooperate that day and decide that was the miracle)

I was using the story here to explain my thoughts to you. I speak in parables.

[mommy_jules]

Kid.

I’m not the one who said I didn’t want to argue semantics.

I’ve quite obviously been arguing them this entire post…

Not very well…

Being that there’s not a single point I’ve made that your arguments based on semantics have disproven… I think I’m doing alright.


The end happens, new beginning happens…
There’s still nothing new without the end of the old.

”Eschatology" refers to theology dealing with beliefs about the eschaton. To unpack "eschaton": Oxford says it is “the final event in the divine plan; the end of the world.” While that’s a fair definition, it falls short of being complete. The eschaton is what we believe the world is coming to. Christian perspectives differ on what exactly the eschaton looks like. But most viewpoints agree that the world ultimately terminates in some kind of perfected state. The world doesn’t end. Rather, its journey of transformation ends.

So to say that that the eschaton is about the end of world isn’t completely accurate from a Christian perspective. It’s more about the transformation or renewal of the world than it is about the obliteration of the world.

That sounds like a lot of talk about far off events. But what we believe about the eschaton actually holds serious implications for how we conduct our lives today.

https://www.umc.org/en/content/eschaton-and-eschatology

You’ve backtracked, changed wording and phrasing, and moved goalposts so many times in this thread. It’s hard to keep up with what your actual point is. So if you call that arguing semantics well, then whatever. However, there many denominations within Christianity that “the end” is not a major sticking point. Not that they don’t believe in the second coming of Jesus, but they don’t believe the earth/world will end. Something doesn’t have to end for it to be made new.

[Deleted User 1511]

Sure…It’s not that anyone particularly wants to be down a mine…

But it was a way that the town flourished, everyone had jobs and could afford daily life, and they didn’t have to rely on the rest of the country for survival.

They just don’t want to trade in one way of life for a way of life that will be ultimately worse than before.

Well who does?? But that is exactly what will happen if they try to be like your Jesus and sleep through the climate crisis without acting. The inequality crisis, too.

We can avert climate disaster, and make a really exciting world where everybody can afford daily life, where every town gets to flourish. It takes exactly one thing that should be in ever-abundant supply - cooperation.

Unfortunately, scarcity has the opposite effect on people. It makes them guard every resource jealously, cling to their cultural divides just for stability, as you have noted. That is what we need to change.

It's like the story of Jesus multiplying the loaves and fishes. I have heard it explained that this was not miraculous...when the multitude had gathered, it seemed like there wasn't enough food for everyone, because each family had their own hidden away. But when Jesus arrived, he implored on the families to cooperate instead of thinking only of themselves. So the families brought forth their food, and when it was all revealed they saw there was more than enough for everyone and leftovers besides.

Our job, yours and mine, and our generation, is to find some way to get people to cooperate instead of fighting, to bring forth instead of hoarding away. There IS far more than enough, enough to give everyone daily life, enough to afford to combat climate disaster. If people trust Jesus, their pastors should be telling them that Jesus wants cooperation. It's the only thing that will help, and anyway, isn't that what He's preaching?

That’s the thing…

They don’t buy it that climate change is spurred on by man. They just don’t…

However,

If you just put it to them like they’re caring for their community and making the land beautiful, they’ll do it.



( But that’s not the story people who read the Bible are going to read… It was considered a miracle because in the story it was one single kid that gave him five loaves of bread and two fish … Jesus fed thousands from that… they didn’t just cooperate that day and decide that was the miracle)

I'm assuming you're talking about white evangelicals you've spoken with because in general, white evangelicals are pretty evenly divided over whether the earth is getting warmer mostly due to human activity or mostly due to natural patterns (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/20 ... te-change/). But regardless, is this belief theological or political? If it were theological, one would assume that Black Evangelicals would be similarly divided as they share the same theology but they aren't with the majority of Black Evangelicals believing (or unsure) that the earth is getting warmer mostly due to human activity. If it's political rather than theological (or scientific), do you think that minds could be changed?

[SouthernIslander]

Lol that’s how this entire conversation thread has gone for me…I say something and inevitably someone will argue with me just for the sake of disagreeing over semantics…

So you do it to me because you feel like other people did it to you?

Lol no…

People keep quoting me and the thread tree trying to argue the point I was making… so when that happens, I continue to explain my point.

Oh no. .

I’m not a white evangelical, so I tend to do more listening and learning on these religion threads unless it’s something I have experienced. I have no idea what a large number of them believe.

I removed the tree because I wasn’t chiming in on the conversation but I relate to what Jules is saying. As she explained, I was pointing out that is how I was raised and how my faith works.

[SlimShady]

Not very well…

Being that there’s not a single point I’ve made that your arguments based on semantics have disproven… I think I’m doing alright.


The end happens, new beginning happens…
There’s still nothing new without the end of the old.

”Eschatology" refers to theology dealing with beliefs about the eschaton. To unpack "eschaton": Oxford says it is “the final event in the divine plan; the end of the world.” While that’s a fair definition, it falls short of being complete. The eschaton is what we believe the world is coming to. Christian perspectives differ on what exactly the eschaton looks like. But most viewpoints agree that the world ultimately terminates in some kind of perfected state. The world doesn’t end. Rather, its journey of transformation ends.

So to say that that the eschaton is about the end of world isn’t completely accurate from a Christian perspective. It’s more about the transformation or renewal of the world than it is about the obliteration of the world.

That sounds like a lot of talk about far off events. But what we believe about the eschaton actually holds serious implications for how we conduct our lives today.

https://www.umc.org/en/content/eschaton-and-eschatology

You’ve backtracked, changed wording and phrasing, and moved goalposts so many times in this thread. It’s hard to keep up with what your actual point is. So if you call that arguing semantics well, then whatever. However, there many denominations within Christianity that “the end” is not a major sticking point. Not that they don’t believe in the second coming of Jesus, but they don’t believe the earth/world will end. Something doesn’t have to end for it to be made new.

Lmao! You’re having trouble keeping up with what the point of this all was? Maybe that’s because you’ve been trying to argue with me about how millions of different Christians all around the world think about what the word “end” means…


This was about my opinion on how the majority Christian voting population in America that watches Fox News, Listens to Glen Beck and watches hallmark movies vote as a collective group, and why they are not acting on climate change.