Its not really on "society". I am not talking about free healthcare that is income based. We pay for our insurance through our employer. So at most its on other people that are with our insurance. But like I said-I don't want to pay for the super fat person to have open heart surgery because they ate 10 Big Macs a day-but they make me pay for it. So well what is good for the goose is good for the ganderAnonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 am I had two miscarriages. Your elective procedures shouldn’t be society’s responsibility. If my hypothetical nose job, etc. wouldn’t be covered, neither should your IVF.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:31 amPeople that have not experienced miscarriages or infertility are often very unemphatic about it.
Should insurances have to cover IVF or other fertility treatments?
They would not be necessary if that person did not eat 10 Big Macs a dayAnonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:34 am Those aren’t elective procedures.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 amThe same could be said for the 440 pound person who needs gastric bypass or open heart surgery. I could tell them "Its heartbreaking you ate yourself to this point but well save your money and stop eating".Anonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:32 am Heartbreaking isn’t reason for insurance to pay for electives. Adopt or save your money.
You can apply that same logic to a million covered health problems
And again, those aren’t elective procedures.
And yes, the people who also pay for your insurance can be considered a fragment of society. But the word choice is irrelevant. I’ll change it to “ the people who also use your insurance company”, if that makes you happier.
And yes, the people who also pay for your insurance can be considered a fragment of society. But the word choice is irrelevant. I’ll change it to “ the people who also use your insurance company”, if that makes you happier.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:35 amIts not really on "society". I am not talking about free healthcare that is income based. We pay for our insurance through our employer. So at most its on other people that are with our insurance. But like I said-I don't want to pay for the super fat person to have open heart surgery because they ate 10 Big Macs a day-but they make me pay for it. So well what is good for the goose is good for the ganderAnonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 am I had two miscarriages. Your elective procedures shouldn’t be society’s responsibility. If my hypothetical nose job, etc. wouldn’t be covered, neither should your IVF.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:31 am
People that have not experienced miscarriages or infertility are often very unemphatic about it.
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I agree with you.RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:58 amBut you have no problem covering drug addicts to go to rehab 10 times? That was a choice too. They chose to use drugs.mcginnisc wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:30 am I went through infertility and no I don't think it should be covered in all honesty. You don't *have* to have children. Does infertility suck? Absolutely. That does not mean that people are entitled to have children. Having children is a choice. It is not necessary like a life saving measure is IMO.
I resent having to pay some of my taxes to help patch up alcoholics or drug addicts whose irresponsibility results in injuring themselves and others ! Or having to help pay to treat the serious health problems resulting from obesity and we know most obesity is a result of a lack of self control , eating too much(and not because of thyroid issues)
Those are all CHOICES! They chose to be unhealthy due to their actions.
This is why health insurance costs have increased in the last few decades! Drugs , alcohol and overeating all cause major illnesses and repairs of the body and mind. They can pay for their own mistakes!
I’d rather help you!
And having a child is a positive and loving venture!
Doesn’t matter. They’re not elective procedures.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:35 amThey would not be necessary if that person did not eat 10 Big Macs a dayAnonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:34 am Those aren’t elective procedures.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 am
The same could be said for the 440 pound person who needs gastric bypass or open heart surgery. I could tell them "Its heartbreaking you ate yourself to this point but well save your money and stop eating".
You can apply that same logic to a million covered health problems
Well I don't want to pay for that addict to go to rehab 10 times. Why don't I get a say in that?Anonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:37 am And again, those aren’t elective procedures.
And yes, the people who also pay for your insurance can be considered a fragment of society. But the word choice is irrelevant. I’ll change it to “ the people who also use your insurance company”, if that makes you happier.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:35 amIts not really on "society". I am not talking about free healthcare that is income based. We pay for our insurance through our employer. So at most its on other people that are with our insurance. But like I said-I don't want to pay for the super fat person to have open heart surgery because they ate 10 Big Macs a day-but they make me pay for it. So well what is good for the goose is good for the ganderAnonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 am I had two miscarriages. Your elective procedures shouldn’t be society’s responsibility. If my hypothetical nose job, etc. wouldn’t be covered, neither should your IVF.
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I think if it will cover something elective and not needed it should also cover something absolutely needed such as insulin so that people don't have to choose between dying and rent.
I think that’s shitty, too. But I’m wagering it’s considered life saving treatment.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:39 amWell I don't want to pay for that addict to go to rehab 10 times. Why don't I get a say in that?Anonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:37 am And again, those aren’t elective procedures.
And yes, the people who also pay for your insurance can be considered a fragment of society. But the word choice is irrelevant. I’ll change it to “ the people who also use your insurance company”, if that makes you happier.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:35 am
Its not really on "society". I am not talking about free healthcare that is income based. We pay for our insurance through our employer. So at most its on other people that are with our insurance. But like I said-I don't want to pay for the super fat person to have open heart surgery because they ate 10 Big Macs a day-but they make me pay for it. So well what is good for the goose is good for the gander
You could argue infertility treatment is life saving too. Women have committed suicide over the sadness of never having kidsAnonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:43 am I think that’s shitty, too. But I’m wagering it’s considered life saving treatment.
RedBottoms wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:39 amWell I don't want to pay for that addict to go to rehab 10 times. Why don't I get a say in that?Anonymous 3 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:37 am And again, those aren’t elective procedures.
And yes, the people who also pay for your insurance can be considered a fragment of society. But the word choice is irrelevant. I’ll change it to “ the people who also use your insurance company”, if that makes you happier.