Angel Mothers urge Democrats to fund border wall

[ButchersWife]

Weird how the dems were so on board with a border wall not so long ago.... but now that push came to shove and the POTUS is ready and willing to actually get the wall done, they are not OK with it. We've been on this merry-go-round since Reagan.

I don't understand why so many citizens of this country are fine with no border. Just let 'em all come in, no problems, it's a big country after all.... but we don't know WHO is coming in, and why they want to come in. That is a huge problem, but it doesn't matter a hill of beans to some.

How many of you who don't want a border wall (or fence, or whatever) lock your doors when you are gone from home, or at night? If you do lock your doors, why do you, if it doesn't matter who comes into the country?

When were the dems on board with a wall?

There have been times in recent history where the dems were totally on board with a secure border, ie, a wall/fence/definitive barrier at the border. It's just that with someone they don't like in the Oval Office calling the shots, they are not on board.

I don't recall a wall ever being proposed before.

[libbylu]

Okay if that’s really how you feel.
It just seemed that too many posters here have a lot of prejudices .
I’m in agreement concerning the more efficient effective faster pathway to citizenship .

I think its discrimination and favoritism to have roughly 90% of all immigrants come from latin America. why do they get priority?? and skin color isn't a factor for me but merit is. We don't need millions of unskilled illiterate migrants. Automation is going to replace the majority of all manual labor. then what will they do? they are on average 10-20 IQ points lower than the average American. They are a net negative financially. Why would you increase the number of citizens using public aid and not contributing to the system? oh that's right- rich elites LOVE having their 3rd world slave labor and democrats love the free votes of people who are easily manipulated and controlled. immigration is a privilege, not a right.

This is from the Pew Research Center. Great article with factual stats. I think I'm going to post it. Here are the stats for you since wherever you're getting your information is lying to you:

In 2016, 1.49 million foreign-born individuals moved to the United States, a 7 percent increase from the 1.38 million coming in 2015. India was the leading country of origin, with 175,100 arriving in 2016, followed by 160,200 from China/Hong Kong, 150,400 from Mexico, 54,700 from Cuba, and 46,600 from the Philippines. India and China surpassed Mexico in 2013 das the top origin countries for recent arrivals.

Thank you.
Its good to know.
I trust them to be accurate.

[Deleted User 1074]

More than 1 million immigrants arrive in the U.S. each year. In 2016, the top country of origin for new immigrants coming into the U.S. was India, with 126,000 people, followed by Mexico (124,000), China (121,000) and Cuba (41,000).

By race and ethnicity, more Asian immigrants than Hispanic immigrants have arrived in the U.S. each year since 2010. Immigration from Latin America slowed following the Great Recession, particularly from Mexico, which has seen net decreases in U.S. immigration over the past few years.

Asians are projected to become the largest immigrant group in the U.S. by 2055, surpassing Hispanics. Pew Research Center estimates indicate that in 2065, Asians will make up some 38% of all immigrants; Hispanics, 31%; whites, 20%; and blacks, 9%.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... mmigrants/

oh dear, was this meant for me?? surely it was. Your one source has Indians as number one in 2016, I have seen other sources that still put mexico as number one. regardless, 1st, We were discussing ILLEGAL immigrants. Indians are the top holders of H-1B visas( LEGAL immigrants), most are highly educated english speaking and work in STEM fields, so they ARE a tax base. the number of immigrants from india is a drop in the bucket compared to latin america, and again, the majority of indians are DOCUMENTED, central and south americans are not.

2ND, illegal immigrants are vastly overrepresented by Mexico, central america and south america, 70-90% at least according to pew research. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... n-the-u-s/

and this estimate is not that accurate because it is based on the "documented" number of "undocumented" immigrants, (oxymoron if I ever saw one) at 11 million, a new study from yale suggests more than double that at 22 million and as high as 29 million! obviously, undocumented people are not completely traceable but I am betting the trend remains the same or more being from mexico, central america, and south america.

3rd, we were speaking hypothetically, about just "letting them all in", the vast majority of people trying to cross the border are from mexico and the rest of latin america. why do they get priority?

Indians coming more the past few years due to the tech industry and other stem fields, (high paid skilled labor) is not comparable to people taking low skill jobs, driving down wages and becoming financial drains on resources.

[Deleted User 1074]

Okay if that’s really how you feel.
It just seemed that too many posters here have a lot of prejudices .
I’m in agreement concerning the more efficient effective faster pathway to citizenship .

I think its discrimination and favoritism to have roughly 90% of all immigrants come from latin America. why do they get priority?? and skin color isn't a factor for me but merit is. We don't need millions of unskilled illiterate migrants. Automation is going to replace the majority of all manual labor. then what will they do? they are on average 10-20 IQ points lower than the average American. They are a net negative financially. Why would you increase the number of citizens using public aid and not contributing to the system? oh that's right- rich elites LOVE having their 3rd world slave labor and democrats love the free votes of people who are easily manipulated and controlled. immigration is a privilege, not a right.

This is from the Pew Research Center. Great article with factual stats. I think I'm going to post it. Here are the stats for you since wherever you're getting your information is lying to you:

In 2016, 1.49 million foreign-born individuals moved to the United States, a 7 percent increase from the 1.38 million coming in 2015. India was the leading country of origin, with 175,100 arriving in 2016, followed by 160,200 from China/Hong Kong, 150,400 from Mexico, 54,700 from Cuba, and 46,600 from the Philippines. India and China surpassed Mexico in 2013 as the top origin countries for recent arrivals.

oh honey, we are talking about illegal immigrants not legal. you do realize undocumented means undocumented right? 2nd, I am not talking abut one year, but the total number of illegal immigrants in the country over the course of MANY years, most dont leave once they come dear. 3rd, please see my source also from pew research, on percentages of ILLEGAL immigrants. btw, pew uses the incorrect estimate of 11 million illegals, when a yale study has found what everyone living in border states has known to be the true number of at least 19-29 million, 22 million being the estimate. and while (known) new immigration from mexico went down slightly after the recession , it went up from central and south america. you know, like those honduran caravans trying to storm the border?? yeah, so please combine latin america, as I did then compare the percentages.

you can see my other reply for the link.

[Deleted User 1074]

"Mexico is the top origin country of the U.S. immigrant population. In 2016, 11.6 million immigrants living in the U.S. were from there,"

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... mmigrants/

[Deleted User 1074]

I think its discrimination and favoritism to have roughly 90% of all immigrants come from latin America. why do they get priority?? and skin color isn't a factor for me but merit is. We don't need millions of unskilled illiterate migrants. Automation is going to replace the majority of all manual labor. then what will they do? they are on average 10-20 IQ points lower than the average American. They are a net negative financially. Why would you increase the number of citizens using public aid and not contributing to the system? oh that's right- rich elites LOVE having their 3rd world slave labor and democrats love the free votes of people who are easily manipulated and controlled. immigration is a privilege, not a right.

This is from the Pew Research Center. Great article with factual stats. I think I'm going to post it. Here are the stats for you since wherever you're getting your information is lying to you:

In 2016, 1.49 million foreign-born individuals moved to the United States, a 7 percent increase from the 1.38 million coming in 2015. India was the leading country of origin, with 175,100 arriving in 2016, followed by 160,200 from China/Hong Kong, 150,400 from Mexico, 54,700 from Cuba, and 46,600 from the Philippines. India and China surpassed Mexico in 2013 das the top origin countries for recent arrivals.

Thank you.
Its good to know.
I trust them to be accurate.

oh you do?? great news

"Mexico is the top origin country of the U.S. immigrant population."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... mmigrants/

[Lemons]

More than 1 million immigrants arrive in the U.S. each year. In 2016, the top country of origin for new immigrants coming into the U.S. was India, with 126,000 people, followed by Mexico (124,000), China (121,000) and Cuba (41,000).

By race and ethnicity, more Asian immigrants than Hispanic immigrants have arrived in the U.S. each year since 2010. Immigration from Latin America slowed following the Great Recession, particularly from Mexico, which has seen net decreases in U.S. immigration over the past few years.

Asians are projected to become the largest immigrant group in the U.S. by 2055, surpassing Hispanics. Pew Research Center estimates indicate that in 2065, Asians will make up some 38% of all immigrants; Hispanics, 31%; whites, 20%; and blacks, 9%.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... mmigrants/

oh dear, was this meant for me?? surely it was. Your one source has Indians as number one in 2016, I have seen other sources that still put mexico as number one. regardless, 1st, We were discussing ILLEGAL immigrants. Indians are the top holders of H-1B visas( LEGAL immigrants), most are highly educated english speaking and work in STEM fields, so they ARE a tax base. the number of immigrants from india is a drop in the bucket compared to latin america, and again, the majority of indians are DOCUMENTED, central and south americans are not.

Not sure why Americans are OK with Indians taking good high paying jobs from Americans. How about we try and get these corporations to hire Americans first?

And Mexicans make up most of our illegal immigrants because we share a border. But facts are that the numbers have been decreasing for ten years. It is not a crisis, it's business as usual. We have border control doing a good job. Trump's base fell for the hype like the lemmings that they are.

And we have always counted on illegal immigrants and legal immigrants to take the lowest paying jobs. From Irish to Italians to Polish and down the line.

[libbylu]

When were the dems on board with a wall?

There have been times in recent history where the dems were totally on board with a secure border, ie, a wall/fence/definitive barrier at the border. It's just that with someone they don't like in the Oval Office calling the shots, they are not on board.

I don't recall a wall ever being proposed before.

Same here.

[Deleted User 1074]

More than 1 million immigrants arrive in the U.S. each year. In 2016, the top country of origin for new immigrants coming into the U.S. was India, with 126,000 people, followed by Mexico (124,000), China (121,000) and Cuba (41,000).

By race and ethnicity, more Asian immigrants than Hispanic immigrants have arrived in the U.S. each year since 2010. Immigration from Latin America slowed following the Great Recession, particularly from Mexico, which has seen net decreases in U.S. immigration over the past few years.

Asians are projected to become the largest immigrant group in the U.S. by 2055, surpassing Hispanics. Pew Research Center estimates indicate that in 2065, Asians will make up some 38% of all immigrants; Hispanics, 31%; whites, 20%; and blacks, 9%.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... mmigrants/

oh dear, was this meant for me?? surely it was. Your one source has Indians as number one in 2016, I have seen other sources that still put mexico as number one. regardless, 1st, We were discussing ILLEGAL immigrants. Indians are the top holders of H-1B visas( LEGAL immigrants), most are highly educated english speaking and work in STEM fields, so they ARE a tax base. the number of immigrants from india is a drop in the bucket compared to latin america, and again, the majority of indians are DOCUMENTED, central and south americans are not.

Not sure why Americans are OK with Indians taking good high paying jobs from Americans. How about we try and get these corporations to hire Americans first?

And Mexicans make up most of our illegal immigrants because we share a border. But facts are that the numbers have been decreasing for ten years. It is not a crisis, it's business as usual. We have border control doing a good job. Trump's base fell for the hype like the lemmings that they are.

And we have always counted on illegal immigrants and legal immigrants to take the lowest paying jobs. From Irish to Italians to Polish and down the line.

lol, I sure am NOT. Even STEM fields are seeing stagnant wages for the last 12 years, indicating there isnt actually a shortage of workers like we are told. people like Mark Suckerberg and Bill gates lobby congress to allow MORE immigrants in to compete for those jobs with americans BECAUSE it helps their bottom line. if population growth were the problem, The government would offer incentives for citizens to have children, but they don't. the elites want to import workers to lower wages across the board. I dont get why LEFTISTS who claim to be the party of the people dont get this basic formula of supply and demand. nationalsim is all about helping our citizens first. That is my stance.

I personally think we should stop all immigration for now, its not needed, employers would be forced to raise wages. However, Indians are at least legal immigrants, competing for higher pay salaries 100k-300k+, ensuring we don't subsidize their income as tax payers like we do illegals. illegals drive down wages for the working class, making it impossible to survive W/O PA, including themselves, and they pay no taxes because their income is too low. Why do we need MORE immigrants when wages have been stagnant for the last 10 years?? again, simple supply and demand.

[Deleted User 1074]

More than 1 million immigrants arrive in the U.S. each year. In 2016, the top country of origin for new immigrants coming into the U.S. was India, with 126,000 people, followed by Mexico (124,000), China (121,000) and Cuba (41,000).

By race and ethnicity, more Asian immigrants than Hispanic immigrants have arrived in the U.S. each year since 2010. Immigration from Latin America slowed following the Great Recession, particularly from Mexico, which has seen net decreases in U.S. immigration over the past few years.

Asians are projected to become the largest immigrant group in the U.S. by 2055, surpassing Hispanics. Pew Research Center estimates indicate that in 2065, Asians will make up some 38% of all immigrants; Hispanics, 31%; whites, 20%; and blacks, 9%.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... mmigrants/

oh dear, was this meant for me?? surely it was. Your one source has Indians as number one in 2016, I have seen other sources that still put mexico as number one. regardless, 1st, We were discussing ILLEGAL immigrants. Indians are the top holders of H-1B visas( LEGAL immigrants), most are highly educated english speaking and work in STEM fields, so they ARE a tax base. the number of immigrants from india is a drop in the bucket compared to latin america, and again, the majority of indians are DOCUMENTED, central and south americans are not.

Not sure why Americans are OK with Indians taking good high paying jobs from Americans. How about we try and get these corporations to hire Americans first?

And Mexicans make up most of our illegal immigrants because we share a border. But facts are that the numbers have been decreasing for ten years. It is not a crisis, it's business as usual. We have border control doing a good job. Trump's base fell for the hype like the lemmings that they are.

And we have always counted on illegal immigrants and legal immigrants to take the lowest paying jobs. From Irish to Italians to Polish and down the line.

also, people comparing now to the industrial revolution drives me nuts, apples to oranges! THEN- machines and factories exploded on the scene, people went from rural agricultural to urban mechanical over night, those migrants were needed, we also didnt subsidize them. NOW- automation is TAKING jobs, even higher skilled jobs like surgeons and nurses will be replaced by robots and computers. the 1st to go are low skill manual jobs, why are we importing people soon to be unemployed?? and dont just say, new jobs will arise to replace them. 1st, any jobs created will require an education, which these immigrants lack, 2nd, if AI is self learning, they can replace almost any job save a few that require ingenuity. This is the future, we need a plan for population reduction if anything.