Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic

[Momto2boys973]

Oh, and I must add, I didn’t write this, I never pretended I did. It’s from the World Jewish Congress. I posted the link in my post. I just summarized it.

https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/anti-zionism

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“Why anti-Zionism is a form of antisemitism”

“Anti-Zionism denies Jews their right to self-defense

Anti-Zionism denies the historical connection of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel

Anti-Zionism perpetuates false accusations about Jews and Israelis

Anti-Zionism is used as a tool to ignore blatant anti-Jewish hatred

Anti-Zionism and its inherent demonization of Jews leads to violence” (WellPreseved, these last 2 are for you)

Written by you, for you...of course. Just like the OLD TESTAMENT.

Do you understand what Christians are talking about when they say “Old Testament and New Testament “?


Jewish people don’t call it the Old Testament…

[Della]

I’m actually pro palestine as well. I truly wish there was a palestinian state living peacefully alongside Israel. That would be perfection.
But I’m a realist and I know it’s not possible while Hamas and the PA are controlling them. The first step to achieving peace is to end that situation and unfortunately, the head of the snake is Iran. As long as the Islamic Republic controls Iran, peace won’t be possible. If the world truly wants the region to have some semblance of peace, they will join together in bringing down the Islamic Republic. Unfortunately, other interests interfere.

ANYONE who disagrees with the politics and business of Israel is an anti semite to you. You have practically admitted it.

That resolution is a ridiculous joke.

The only reason anyone here stands for Israel is because of a ridiculous interpretation of Scripture that even Jews don't believe. Or perhaps you can finally show them where in the Jewish Bible God returned the land to the Jews. Yes, please do!

We're waiting

I stand for Israel as I do Palestine. It's not a one or the other situation for me, personally.

Too, having Jewish people on both sides of my family, both past and present, gives me a sense of kinship.

Are you against Jewish settlements on the land mandated for Palestine?

[Slimshandy]

Why don't you explain it for us?

The words Old/New refer to Jesus, before him and after.
For Jewish people, Jesus isn’t the messiah. So there’s no old and new, there’s the Torah/Tanakh .

What do each the Torah & Tanakh have in common with the Old Testament? Where did the Christians get the OT?

What is the Torah?

The Torah is the Jewish holy book containing the law of God as Moses received it. It consists of five books: Bereshith, Shemot, VaYikra, BaMidbar, and Devarim (the Hebrew names of the books). These five books are exactly the same as the first five books of the Christian Bible, with the English names of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. They are also called the Pentateuch.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/tanakh ... ir%20lives.

[Della]

The words Old/New refer to Jesus, before him and after.
For Jewish people, Jesus isn’t the messiah. So there’s no old and new, there’s the Torah/Tanakh .

What do each the Torah & Tanakh have in common with the Old Testament? Where did the Christians get the OT?

What is the Torah?

The Torah is the Jewish holy book containing the law of God as Moses received it. It consists of five books: Bereshith, Shemot, VaYikra, BaMidbar, and Devarim (the Hebrew names of the books). These five books are exactly the same as the first five books of the Christian Bible, with the English names of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. They are also called the Pentateuch.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/tanakh ... ir%20lives.

"When people mention the Jewish Bible, they usually refer to the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh. The term "Jewish Bible" is largely not preferred. The Hebrew Bible was originally written in Hebrew, with some small parts written in Aramaic. The main difference between the Torah vs. Tanakh is that the Torah is the first five books of the Hebrew Bible while the Tanakh is the whole Hebrew Bible."

(...)

"The Hebrew Bible is the sacred book of the Jews and is also called Tanakh. It contains the same books and information as the Old Testament of the Christian Bible, even though the order of the books is not exactly the same."



"There are many similarities between the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament. The Protestant Old Testament has the same books as the Hebrew Bible, but the books are arranged in different orders. The Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches include the Deuterocanonical books, which are not included in the Hebrew Bible.[8]"

(...)

"Christianity has long asserted a close relationship between the Hebrew Bible and New Testament.[66] In Protestant Bibles, the Old Testament is the same as the Hebrew Bible, but the books are arranged differently. Catholic Bibles and Eastern Orthodox Bibles contain books not included in the Hebrew Bible called Deuterocanonical books.[67] Protestant English Bibles originally included the Deuterocanonical books, which Protestants term the Apocrypha. These books were removed when a slimmed-down King James Version was mass-produced by free Bible societies out of cost considerations.[68]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible

[Momto2boys973]

Exactly. And the Tanakh includes the subsequent books. It’s called “Tanakh” for the letters of each book: T for Torah, N for Neviim (Prophets) and K for Ketubim (writings), which includes Psalms, Megillot, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, etc. We Jews love our acronyms

The words Old/New refer to Jesus, before him and after.
For Jewish people, Jesus isn’t the messiah. So there’s no old and new, there’s the Torah/Tanakh .

What do each the Torah & Tanakh have in common with the Old Testament? Where did the Christians get the OT?

What is the Torah?

The Torah is the Jewish holy book containing the law of God as Moses received it. It consists of five books: Bereshith, Shemot, VaYikra, BaMidbar, and Devarim (the Hebrew names of the books). These five books are exactly the same as the first five books of the Christian Bible, with the English names of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. They are also called the Pentateuch.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/tanakh ... ir%20lives.

[Slimshandy]

Yes.
I don’t mean this in an attitudinal way- but are you adding information or disagreeing with something?

What do each the Torah & Tanakh have in common with the Old Testament? Where did the Christians get the OT?

What is the Torah?

The Torah is the Jewish holy book containing the law of God as Moses received it. It consists of five books: Bereshith, Shemot, VaYikra, BaMidbar, and Devarim (the Hebrew names of the books). These five books are exactly the same as the first five books of the Christian Bible, with the English names of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. They are also called the Pentateuch.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/tanakh ... ir%20lives.

"When people mention the Jewish Bible, they usually refer to the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh. The term "Jewish Bible" is largely not preferred. The Hebrew Bible was originally written in Hebrew, with some small parts written in Aramaic. The main difference between the Torah vs. Tanakh is that the Torah is the first five books of the Hebrew Bible while the Tanakh is the whole Hebrew Bible."

(...)

"The Hebrew Bible is the sacred book of the Jews and is also called Tanakh. It contains the same books and information as the Old Testament of the Christian Bible, even though the order of the books is not exactly the same."



"There are many similarities between the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament. The Protestant Old Testament has the same books as the Hebrew Bible, but the books are arranged in different orders. The Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches include the Deuterocanonical books, which are not included in the Hebrew Bible.[8]"

(...)

"Christianity has long asserted a close relationship between the Hebrew Bible and New Testament.[66] In Protestant Bibles, the Old Testament is the same as the Hebrew Bible, but the books are arranged differently. Catholic Bibles and Eastern Orthodox Bibles contain books not included in the Hebrew Bible called Deuterocanonical books.[67] Protestant English Bibles originally included the Deuterocanonical books, which Protestants term the Apocrypha. These books were removed when a slimmed-down King James Version was mass-produced by free Bible societies out of cost considerations.[68]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible

[Della]

Yes.
I don’t mean this in an attitudinal way- but are you adding information or disagreeing with something?

What is the Torah?

The Torah is the Jewish holy book containing the law of God as Moses received it. It consists of five books: Bereshith, Shemot, VaYikra, BaMidbar, and Devarim (the Hebrew names of the books). These five books are exactly the same as the first five books of the Christian Bible, with the English names of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. They are also called the Pentateuch.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/tanakh ... ir%20lives.

"When people mention the Jewish Bible, they usually refer to the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh. The term "Jewish Bible" is largely not preferred. The Hebrew Bible was originally written in Hebrew, with some small parts written in Aramaic. The main difference between the Torah vs. Tanakh is that the Torah is the first five books of the Hebrew Bible while the Tanakh is the whole Hebrew Bible."

(...)

"The Hebrew Bible is the sacred book of the Jews and is also called Tanakh. It contains the same books and information as the Old Testament of the Christian Bible, even though the order of the books is not exactly the same."



"There are many similarities between the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament. The Protestant Old Testament has the same books as the Hebrew Bible, but the books are arranged in different orders. The Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches include the Deuterocanonical books, which are not included in the Hebrew Bible.[8]"

(...)

"Christianity has long asserted a close relationship between the Hebrew Bible and New Testament.[66] In Protestant Bibles, the Old Testament is the same as the Hebrew Bible, but the books are arranged differently. Catholic Bibles and Eastern Orthodox Bibles contain books not included in the Hebrew Bible called Deuterocanonical books.[67] Protestant English Bibles originally included the Deuterocanonical books, which Protestants term the Apocrypha. These books were removed when a slimmed-down King James Version was mass-produced by free Bible societies out of cost considerations.[68]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible

Did you answer your own question?

"Do you understand what Christians are talking about when they say “Old Testament and New Testament “?"

[AZOldGal66]

In a class I recently took and completed on Israel, it was noted that not all Jews subscribe to Zionist beliefs and political rhetoric...

"Israel-Hamas war: What is Zionism? A history of the political movement that created Israel as we know it" https://theconversation.com/israel-hama ... -it-217788

"In short, Zionism does not preclude someone from being critical of the policies of the Israeli government."

What thoughts do you have having read that?

You can be against and opposed to the policies of the country you live in yet still believe the country has the right to exist.

[Momto2boys973]

And you can still be against certain policies and not hate he country and the people who live there or support it.

In a class I recently took and completed on Israel, it was noted that not all Jews subscribe to Zionist beliefs and political rhetoric...

"Israel-Hamas war: What is Zionism? A history of the political movement that created Israel as we know it" https://theconversation.com/israel-hama ... -it-217788

"In short, Zionism does not preclude someone from being critical of the policies of the Israeli government."

What thoughts do you have having read that?

You can be against and opposed to the policies of the country you live in yet still believe the country has the right to exist.

[Della]

In a class I recently took and completed on Israel, it was noted that not all Jews subscribe to Zionist beliefs and political rhetoric...

"Israel-Hamas war: What is Zionism? A history of the political movement that created Israel as we know it" https://theconversation.com/israel-hama ... -it-217788

"In short, Zionism does not preclude someone from being critical of the policies of the Israeli government."

What thoughts do you have having read that?

You can be against and opposed to the policies of the country you live in yet still believe the country has the right to exist.

You agree that it's not anti semitism to disagree with political Israel. Thank you.

Any further thoughts on the origin of Zionist thought based on this information?