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[SouthernIslander]

Oh Jesus Christ… you guys are seriously not understanding this.




What I just said has nothing to do with Polynesians or Asians as a whole.

Not at all.

Nothing.

Nada.

Zip.






What I said has to do with the SMALL, TINY, MINUSCULE Population of them that are living WITHIN THE POLITICAL CHRISTIAN CULTURE of Fox News, Glenn Beck and Candace Owens…

No, your arguments don’t make sense and it’s like you keep digging a deeper whole.

I don’t even know how to put this into an easier to understand way…


Ok.



If I say “ Most New Yorkers are American”
That can be a true statement…

But that doesn’t mean I am trying to say “ All Americans are New Yorkers”
Because that would be an untrue statement…




I am Not. At. All. Saying the majority of Black people would fit into this religious/political culture that people like Candace Owens promote… I am saying there are Black people within the group that Candace Owens speaks to.
Which is the same for Polynesians, Asians, Hispanics ect…



This whole thing started with me saying I didn’t think it was helpful to try and separate people by skin color when it was a specific political culture because it isnt logically correct… but you two disagreed, and have now been confused about what I’m talking about for an hour now …

You’re still back peddling. It is not enough Asian, Polynesians or Black for you to say Christians don’t think climate change is man made as a group.

That is not true.

[SouthernIslander]

Again…. I am not commenting AT ALL about what is relevant in Black Churches…


You are not understanding the premise… you keep telling me irrelevant information to the topic at hand…

It doesn’t matter. It is not enough Black churches for you to include Christians as a group.

No, I’m telling you that the other ladies are correct. That is relevant to the topic and I understand the topic just fine.

As a group, you are only speaking for white evangelicals and Republicans.

The group I am speaking about is quite literally all Republican… yes.

Correct you are talking about Republicans but you clearly said Christians and that part isn’t true.

[SlimShady]

No, your arguments don’t make sense and it’s like you keep digging a deeper whole.

I don’t even know how to put this into an easier to understand way…


Ok.



If I say “ Most New Yorkers are American”
That can be a true statement…

But that doesn’t mean I am trying to say “ All Americans are New Yorkers”
Because that would be an untrue statement…




I am Not. At. All. Saying the majority of Black people would fit into this religious/political culture that people like Candace Owens promote… I am saying there are Black people within the group that Candace Owens speaks to.
Which is the same for Polynesians, Asians, Hispanics ect…



This whole thing started with me saying I didn’t think it was helpful to try and separate people by skin color when it was a specific political culture because it isnt logically correct… but you two disagreed, and have now been confused about what I’m talking about for an hour now …

You’re still back peddling. It is not enough Asian, Polynesians or Black for you to say Christians don’t think climate change is man made as a group.

That is not true.

This is not backpedaling, you are not understanding this concept.

As I’ve said for the 284,375,278th time, I am not talking about “Christians” as though that is a singular demographic.

I am talking about ONE specific political group and culture that is mainly composed of Christians in its group members. That specific political group contains all of the above races. That specific group watches Fox News. That specific group listens to Candace Owens. That specific group listens to Glenn Beck. And that specific group is large enough to enact changes to our laws.

[SouthernIslander]

I don’t even know how to put this into an easier to understand way…


Ok.



If I say “ Most New Yorkers are American”
That can be a true statement…

But that doesn’t mean I am trying to say “ All Americans are New Yorkers”
Because that would be an untrue statement…




I am Not. At. All. Saying the majority of Black people would fit into this religious/political culture that people like Candace Owens promote… I am saying there are Black people within the group that Candace Owens speaks to.
Which is the same for Polynesians, Asians, Hispanics ect…



This whole thing started with me saying I didn’t think it was helpful to try and separate people by skin color when it was a specific political culture because it isnt logically correct… but you two disagreed, and have now been confused about what I’m talking about for an hour now …

You’re still back peddling. It is not enough Asian, Polynesians or Black for you to say Christians don’t think climate change is man made as a group.

That is not true.

This is not backpedaling, you are not understanding this concept.

As I’ve said for the 284,375,278th time, I am not talking about “Christians” as though that is a singular demographic.

I am talking about ONE specific political group and culture that is mainly composed of Christians in its group members. That specific political group contains all of the above races. That specific group watches Fox News. That specific group listens to Candace Owens. That specific group listens to Glenn Beck. And that specific group is large enough to enact changes to our laws.

If you meant to say Republicans instead of Christians…then I can understand that. But you said Christians and not a political group ..that is why it looks like you’re back peddling.

[SlimShady]

You’re still back peddling. It is not enough Asian, Polynesians or Black for you to say Christians don’t think climate change is man made as a group.

That is not true.

This is not backpedaling, you are not understanding this concept.

As I’ve said for the 284,375,278th time, I am not talking about “Christians” as though that is a singular demographic.

I am talking about ONE specific political group and culture that is mainly composed of Christians in its group members. That specific political group contains all of the above races. That specific group watches Fox News. That specific group listens to Candace Owens. That specific group listens to Glenn Beck. And that specific group is large enough to enact changes to our laws.

If you meant to say Republicans instead of Christians…then I can understand that. But you said Christians and not a political group ..that is why it looks like you’re back peddling.

The majority voting group that I am talking about is made up of republicans, and it is made up of Christians.

That doesn’t mean all republicans, or all Christians.



Like if I had a party and everyone who showed up was a Christian Republican, that doesn’t mean all the Christians or all the republicans showed up to my party… but the party is big enough to make changes based on voting power.

[mommy_jules]

Oh no. .

I’m not a white evangelical, so I tend to do more listening and learning on these religion threads unless it’s something I have experienced. I have no idea what a large number of them believe.

I removed the tree because I wasn’t chiming in on the conversation but I relate to what Jules is saying. As she explained, I was pointing out that is how I was raised and how my faith works.

That’s great explainer video. A large number only agree on a few generalities (born again, high view of the Bible, etc).

Thank you for posting! I love Phil Vischer and his ability to explain complex themes so simply - especially when it comes to Christianity in America. Since I lived through it, I knew there was a huge difference between Billy Graham and Jerry Fallwell but didn't understand the why or how. I've also been guilty of lumping white evangelicals together and wondered, but didn't know, why there was a difference between what are stereo-typical white evangelicals and Black evangelicals if the theology was the same. Also been guilty of lumping together evangelicals with fundamentalists. This video makes things so much clearer to me.

You’re welcome. I love Phil and all at The Holy Post. They are a great resource and a bright spot for those of us trying to find firm footing in their faith again.

[WellPreserved]

That’s the thing…

They don’t buy it that climate change is spurred on by man. They just don’t…

However,

If you just put it to them like they’re caring for their community and making the land beautiful, they’ll do it.



( But that’s not the story people who read the Bible are going to read… It was considered a miracle because in the story it was one single kid that gave him five loaves of bread and two fish … Jesus fed thousands from that… they didn’t just cooperate that day and decide that was the miracle)

I'm assuming you're talking about white evangelicals you've spoken with because in general, white evangelicals are pretty evenly divided over whether the earth is getting warmer mostly due to human activity or mostly due to natural patterns (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/20 ... te-change/). But regardless, is this belief theological or political? If it were theological, one would assume that Black Evangelicals would be similarly divided as they share the same theology but they aren't with the majority of Black Evangelicals believing (or unsure) that the earth is getting warmer mostly due to human activity. If it's political rather than theological (or scientific), do you think that minds could be changed?

I dont think there’s any point here to divide up the races and what all the different racial groups think as though it would be different when it comes to a Lutheran or Baptist belief…

Majority Christian voting population. That means everyone who is in the majority Christian voting population…regardless of denomination, race, or S*x… it’s a culture in and of itself.





I don’t think it would be as useful to try and change their minds about what is affecting climate change as it would be to try and get people onboard with keeping their town/community/waterways ect clean just because it’s nicer to live that way.


It might take another 50 years to change peoples minds on climate change, but you can get them to start environmental beautification projects today…

"Majority Christian voting population"

I think this is where the disconnect and mis-understanding is coming from. You write things like this which are not true but say that you mean specifically White Christian Fox Viewing Conservatives. If everyone who is on this thread is mis-interpreting your posts, then I think that's a "you" communication problem not an "us" comprehension problem.

[SlimShady]

I'm assuming you're talking about white evangelicals you've spoken with because in general, white evangelicals are pretty evenly divided over whether the earth is getting warmer mostly due to human activity or mostly due to natural patterns (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/20 ... te-change/). But regardless, is this belief theological or political? If it were theological, one would assume that Black Evangelicals would be similarly divided as they share the same theology but they aren't with the majority of Black Evangelicals believing (or unsure) that the earth is getting warmer mostly due to human activity. If it's political rather than theological (or scientific), do you think that minds could be changed?

I dont think there’s any point here to divide up the races and what all the different racial groups think as though it would be different when it comes to a Lutheran or Baptist belief…

Majority Christian voting population. That means everyone who is in the majority Christian voting population…regardless of denomination, race, or S*x… it’s a culture in and of itself.





I don’t think it would be as useful to try and change their minds about what is affecting climate change as it would be to try and get people onboard with keeping their town/community/waterways ect clean just because it’s nicer to live that way.


It might take another 50 years to change peoples minds on climate change, but you can get them to start environmental beautification projects today…

"Majority Christian voting population"

I think this is where the disconnect and mis-understanding is coming from. You write things like this which are not true but say that you mean specifically White Christian Fox Viewing Conservatives. If everyone who is on this thread is mis-interpreting your posts, then I think that's a "you" communication problem not an "us" comprehension problem.

To be fair… I did write nine different replies on just about every single page specifically and in detail describing what I meant…


So it might be back to a “you” comprehension problem.

[SouthernIslander]

This is not backpedaling, you are not understanding this concept.

As I’ve said for the 284,375,278th time, I am not talking about “Christians” as though that is a singular demographic.

I am talking about ONE specific political group and culture that is mainly composed of Christians in its group members. That specific political group contains all of the above races. That specific group watches Fox News. That specific group listens to Candace Owens. That specific group listens to Glenn Beck. And that specific group is large enough to enact changes to our laws.

If you meant to say Republicans instead of Christians…then I can understand that. But you said Christians and not a political group ..that is why it looks like you’re back peddling.

The majority voting group that I am talking about is made up of republicans, and it is made up of Christians.

That doesn’t mean all republicans, or all Christians.



Like if I had a party and everyone who showed up was a Christian Republican, that doesn’t mean all the Christians or all the republicans showed up to my party… but the party is big enough to make changes based on voting power.

Yes, and that party would likely have a lot of white evangelicals with a very low number of minorities…especially in the south. That’s why people were saying that your point of view only really applies to that group.

[WellPreserved]

That’s great explainer video. A large number only agree on a few generalities (born again, high view of the Bible, etc).

Thank you for posting! I love Phil Vischer and his ability to explain complex themes so simply - especially when it comes to Christianity in America. Since I lived through it, I knew there was a huge difference between Billy Graham and Jerry Fallwell but didn't understand the why or how. I've also been guilty of lumping white evangelicals together and wondered, but didn't know, why there was a difference between what are stereo-typical white evangelicals and Black evangelicals if the theology was the same. Also been guilty of lumping together evangelicals with fundamentalists. This video makes things so much clearer to me.

You’re welcome. I love Phil and all at The Holy Post. They are a great resource and a bright spot for those of us trying to find firm footing in their faith again.

I've written before that I'm an Atheist but part of a wonderful Church community that I enjoy for the fellowship. My kids were raised in and are still part of this community - one is Atheist and the other is an alter boy so I feel as if I got it at least 1/2 right and not telling which 1/2, lol.

Having always attended Episcopalian Churches since birth, "Evangelical" denominations have been a bit of an enigma and "we" don't cover that so much in study groups. I've also known that there was a huge difference between the politics of Billy Graham/Jimmy Carter and Jerry Fallwell's Moral Majority and remember the political split in the Baptist Convention but just never knew the reasons behind and the differences in theology.

Thanks again! If feel a little more informed!