BLM Mural coming to 5th Avenue

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Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:50 am
Lemons wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:25 pm
Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:59 pm

It looks like every other skyscraper in NYC, and his hotel fits right in to the rest of "ostenatious" building in vegas. if you're saying modern architecture is ugly in general, I agree.

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Still not as ugly as highlighter yellow streets and not payed for with tax dollars.
Have you been inside it? Tacky as f**k.
No, but again, its private property paid for with private funds, no one has to enter. not a public tax payer funded street everyone has to use.
Wrong as usual. The atrium is open to the public and the city maintains it. He got a massive tax break to make it public.

There’s a Starbucks and other businesses. I’ve used the bathrooms there. It’s gaudy just like the inside of his apartment.
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Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:15 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:37 pm
Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:32 pm

NO, BLM has made themselves the center of attention in every aspect of life right now. I am Discussing the current news cycle.


And a Trump has too but yet people will still vote him too.
Trump is the president of the USA, of course he's going to be in the news cycle and I won't criticize you for talking about him.

Here's the difference, I dont think republicans deny that their representatives are politically motivated. But democrats frequently do deny that, more importantly democrats refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of MSM is biased and also has a political agenda. if everyone could acknowledge that, its would be amazing. unfortunately, the vast majority of people participating in BLM protests really think democrats in power care.

The problem I have with this is this movement is its causing permanent racial discord in this country from both sides and its not just an organic grassroots movement, its being cultivated by those in positions of power through propaganda and funding. this petty divisive move to paint BLM on the street in front of trump tower and in DC is a perfect example of how this is just a game to democrats.

I wish people in this movement would check their emotions and think rationally for a moment

one- their original claim for anger was racially profiled police brutality- ok is there evidence the cop who murdered george floyd was motivated by race? no, it's just assumed ok, so where is this idea coming form? a big part is the facts that those in power discuss. including only highlighting stories involving POC as victims and police as white. CNN literally lightened george zimmerman's skin to make viewers think he was white. the media barely covers cases where victims are white or cops are POC.

is there still reason to be angry he was killed by those who should protect us? yes. So, justice would be him being charged, and he was. so why did the arson, looting and protests continue?

two- grievances with police brutality evolved to general discontent in black communities with multiple issues, who are the majority of elected officials in their communities? they're democrats. why don't they start by holding their own elected officials accountable? some of these people have been in office for decades and they keep voting the min even when they have failed them. trump has little control over local issues, these protesters are barking up the wrong tree, but of course the mayors, governors and congress people don't want them to know that!

third, anger does not excuse the rioting, looting and violence that has erupted from all of this and the demand list is unreasonable, most people I know are pissed off and lost all sympathy they originally had once this was no longer about police reform (democrats rejected the republicans police reform measures)and became a socialist Marxist movement.

so I am disgusted that democrats and the media are willing to sow racial discord, chaos and weaken our nation just to try to score political points with no real intention of doing anything more than painting murals and pressuring corporations to virtue signal.
No, Republicans don’t admit actions that are politically motivated and Fox News is bias too. It’s no point in going back and forth about it because Republicans do they same; even if it’s in a different way. They refuse to accept anything but this “Black people are stupid” mentality instead or trying to understand what they are doing to discourage the black vote because we aren’t in the best place with the left either.

Idk what else to tell you. I said I don’t agree with the calls to riot and some of the the items on the list is unreasonable. I’m not arguing that point. But as long as people do more taking/dictating then listening; this isn’t going to change and the division is going to get worse, no matter how you feel about it.

As far as the mural; that is between NY and the their community that Trump has burned a lot of bridges long before he became President from my understanding. Its not my business what they paint on their own streets. I don’t care about stuff like that.
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DSamuels wrote: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:53 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:57 pm Why not an actual mural on an approved wall or building that isn't going to be driven over, snow and rain ruining the design of over the years (I've been to NYC multiple times and many of the streets are in dire need of repaving and road work), and that won't eventually wear down due to foot and car traffic? That people can actually enjoy seeing vs walking/driving over for a very short amount of time?

Some murals are absolutely beautiful and insane works of art. THIS will not do what a mural on a wall or building could do IMO.

I get the point, however, if it's being done in front of Trump Tower as many still believe the man is a racist.

I suppose whatever drives them....
They did one in Cincinnati on the street too. They had a different artist do each letter. Too bad it will be ruined by driving on it.

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Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:22 pm
Lemons wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:55 pm
Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:39 pm Not going to lie, that neon yellow is such an eyesore. renaming Street signs looks a lot classier if you insist on forcing your beliefs down other people's throats. I think its weird that democrats are normalizing spending tax payer dollars on political ads.

Imagine the outcry if republicans did this with a pro life/anti abortion message on a public street.
It simply says black lives matter. How is that forcing someone's beliefs down their throat. Who doesn't agree that they matter? And the paint is temporary. It won't be there forever.
oh really, then if you're against the patriot act you're not a patriot, if you oppose Pro Life messaging, you're for death, if you're against Executive Order 13769, titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States (Travel Ban) you're just a terrorist who wants america harmed.

Give me a break, BLM is a Marxist group,, they are clearly aligned with the democrats. the demands they have made have nothing to do with black lives or police brutality. The fact the left thinks painting BLM on 5th ave is an attack against Trump only supports this is a partisan movement. Just look at their twitter feed and you can clearly see its partisan, so much so they are tweeting to Biden to choose a black female VP, almost like BLM is a partisan Dem group, they retweet far left people, groups and politicians:









What’s wrong with those tweets?
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Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:59 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:22 pm Meh. Trump Tower is an eyesore too. So ostentatious. At least is not as tacky and middle age crisis as his Vegas hotel, lol. So it’s not like it would make it worse.
Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:39 pm Not going to lie, that neon yellow is such an eyesore. renaming Street signs looks a lot classier if you insist on forcing your beliefs down other people's throats. I think its weird that democrats are normalizing spending tax payer dollars on political ads.

Imagine the outcry if republicans did this with a pro life/anti abortion message on a public street.
It looks like every other skyscraper in NYC, and his hotel fits right in to the rest of "ostenatious" building in vegas. if you're saying modern architecture is ugly in general, I agree.

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Still not as ugly as highlighter yellow streets and not payed for with tax dollars.
Do you really think that building looks good?
The daytime picture makes it look like an abandoned burned down building and the night time picture looks like a turd amongst the other buildings.
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Mr.Smile wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:53 am
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:13 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:22 pm

I think the temporary nature of the painting on the street gives hope that the movement will not last forever in that there will be substantial change by the time that paint is worn through.
But you know? What about something more permanent then? Their movement shouldn't be seen as temporary and while change is most definitely a desired outcome and something the majority of Americans wish to see, why not a more definitive, constant reminder to keep the momentum going?
dems don't give a shit about BLM, they're just trying to get black people riled up to vote for "you ain't black" Biden. Biden has low enthusiasm and the majority of Americans think he has dementia. I know polls are not great for Trump but they're not great for Biden either. that was the purpose of this whole thing, bring trump down and Biden up.

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I don't believe that many Democrats are enthused by Biden as a possible POTUS but with Biden comes the reality that the Democrats are back in the White House for another four years should he win in November and THAT thrills them.

On that note, I actually feel a little sorry for him.
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WellPreserved wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:10 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:13 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:22 pm

I think the temporary nature of the painting on the street gives hope that the movement will not last forever in that there will be substantial change by the time that paint is worn through.
But you know? What about something more permanent then? Their movement shouldn't be seen as temporary and while change is most definitely a desired outcome and something the majority of Americans wish to see, why not a more definitive, constant reminder to keep the momentum going?
It doesn't have to be an "either/or". Painting the street (city property) was immediate, inexpensive and a powerful statement of support for BLM by each city. In a sense they are permanent through pictures.

A more permanent mural on a building is a long of process of zoning, property owner agreement, selection of artist, and then the creation of the mural as well. I am sure in the upcoming months, we will see permanent murals but I also feel that making a visual statement in the moment is important.
A visual statement that will not remain so aesthetically pleasing after a short while due to the elements and the aforementioned issues with roads to begin with.

"In the moment" can be taken as none of this (the street murals) is serious, sincerely important, and only being done to appease for the time being.
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hmmm666 wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:35 pm
Mr.Smile wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:59 pm
Momto2boys973 wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:22 pm Meh. Trump Tower is an eyesore too. So ostentatious. At least is not as tacky and middle age crisis as his Vegas hotel, lol. So it’s not like it would make it worse.

It looks like every other skyscraper in NYC, and his hotel fits right in to the rest of "ostenatious" building in vegas. if you're saying modern architecture is ugly in general, I agree.

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Still not as ugly as highlighter yellow streets and not payed for with tax dollars.
Do you really think that building looks good?
The daytime picture makes it look like an abandoned burned down building and the night time picture looks like a turd amongst the other buildings.
2 different building. Daytime is NYC, night time is Vegas.
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AZLizardLady wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:18 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:10 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:13 pm

But you know? What about something more permanent then? Their movement shouldn't be seen as temporary and while change is most definitely a desired outcome and something the majority of Americans wish to see, why not a more definitive, constant reminder to keep the momentum going?
It doesn't have to be an "either/or". Painting the street (city property) was immediate, inexpensive and a powerful statement of support for BLM by each city. In a sense they are permanent through pictures.

A more permanent mural on a building is a long of process of zoning, property owner agreement, selection of artist, and then the creation of the mural as well. I am sure in the upcoming months, we will see permanent murals but I also feel that making a visual statement in the moment is important.
A visual statement that will not remain so aesthetically pleasing after a short while due to the elements and the aforementioned issues with roads to begin with.

"In the moment" can be taken as none of this (the street murals) is serious, sincerely important, and only being done to appease for the time being.
I'm sorry that is how you see them. I don't know anyone IRL who sees them that way.
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WellPreserved wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:04 pm
AZLizardLady wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:18 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:10 pm

It doesn't have to be an "either/or". Painting the street (city property) was immediate, inexpensive and a powerful statement of support for BLM by each city. In a sense they are permanent through pictures.

A more permanent mural on a building is a long of process of zoning, property owner agreement, selection of artist, and then the creation of the mural as well. I am sure in the upcoming months, we will see permanent murals but I also feel that making a visual statement in the moment is important.
A visual statement that will not remain so aesthetically pleasing after a short while due to the elements and the aforementioned issues with roads to begin with.

"In the moment" can be taken as none of this (the street murals) is serious, sincerely important, and only being done to appease for the time being.
I'm sorry that is how you see them. I don't know anyone IRL who sees them that way.
Don't be sorry. It's merely a difference of opinion on the significance of these murals and how they could be done better.

I do know many IRL who agree with me.
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