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SouthernIslander wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 pm

That’s my thing to. I don’t have a problem with anyone who disagrees with social distancing, but I’m scared I’ll get exposed and I don’t want to be rude like “get TF away from me” because we don’t have the same opinion.

Good luck to you and your business.
My best friend was spit on at Walmart yesterday because she was wearing a mask - she was a customer, not a worker not that it makes that much of a difference. She was spit on! This goes so far beyond a difference of opinion or politics. I'm sorry, but these people are not good people. They just aren't. No amount of constitutional rights explaining is going to convince me that people who are irate about face masks are well intended. I'm not sure our business will shut down but if this continues, I'll quit as will some of our vendors. Balancing personal safety with economic solvency is pretty yucky. No one should feel physically endangered by selling meat, veg, eggs, or bread at a farmers market!
Pretty sure y'all know I'm in the "no mask" camp, but what happened to your friend is all kinds of wrong. I might have my own opinion about wearing a mask but spitting on someone because they are wearing a mask is definitely NOT the thing to do. We're not all assholes. I am hoping that the spitter was arrested, because that IS assault.

I personally feel that if a store mandates a mask, then I will not shop there. I don't harbor ill-will towards the store or the employees, and I won't go there and cause a scene whining about my rights - it's private property and they can set the rules. I can choose to go elsewhere.
It's interesting to me that there is an urban/rural divide on whether to not to wear masks. I had a call-in meeting with Virginia Farmers Markets and urban market managers are not having an issue enforcing the mask rule - only the rural managers are having issues. I can't figure out why?

I read the article you posted - written by a therapist, not a doctor. She sites several "studies" in her opinion piece and I looked at a couple of them and found them suspect. I rely on CDC, Mayo, and my personal physician on medical advice and right now, they are all saying wear a mask to protect others so you are damn skippy I'm going to wear one.

I believe you are also in Virginia? Chances are Northam is going to announce on Tuesday that masks must be worn in public.
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WellPreserved wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:30 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 9:24 pm From the article:

"Fauci believes many parts of the country are ready for “cautious” and “prudent” reopenings, though he warned that guidelines for social distancing and mask-wearing must still be adhered to, he said during an appearance on CNBC Friday."

I totally agree but unfortunately, as I've experienced the last couple of weeks, social distancing and mask wearing seems to be virtually impossible for a significant portion of the population. I don't get it but we are discussing shutting down our business simply because people can't follow simple rules and regulations that are in place to keep our vendors and customers safe. <sigh> Our "hope" is that our governor announces that mask wearing is necessary in public spaces as which point we can call in our local police to monitor and enforce. At the same time, our police force is fairly conservative so they decide that they won't enforce state orders as that is now a "thing". If that happens, we'll shut down which would be devastating for our community and our small farmer/producers.
That’s my thing to. I don’t have a problem with anyone who disagrees with social distancing, but I’m scared I’ll get exposed and I don’t want to be rude like “get TF away from me” because we don’t have the same opinion.

Good luck to you and your business.
My best friend was spit on at Walmart yesterday because she was wearing a mask - she was a customer, not a worker not that it makes that much of a difference. She was spit on! This goes so far beyond a difference of opinion or politics. I'm sorry, but these people are not good people. They just aren't. No amount of constitutional rights explaining is going to convince me that people who are irate about face masks are well intended. I'm not sure our business will shut down but if this continues, I'll quit as will some of our vendors. Balancing personal safety with economic solvency is pretty yucky. No one should feel physically endangered by selling meat, veg, eggs, or bread at a farmers market!
Hopefully they lay charges against the person that did that. I am not a wearer of a mask, however I do have some just in case they make it mandatory. But people have gone insane when it comes to these type of things.

I have noticed one thing however. People who wear masks seem to think because they have one on they can now stand on top of you.
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WellPreserved wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:30 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 9:24 pm From the article:

"Fauci believes many parts of the country are ready for “cautious” and “prudent” reopenings, though he warned that guidelines for social distancing and mask-wearing must still be adhered to, he said during an appearance on CNBC Friday."

I totally agree but unfortunately, as I've experienced the last couple of weeks, social distancing and mask wearing seems to be virtually impossible for a significant portion of the population. I don't get it but we are discussing shutting down our business simply because people can't follow simple rules and regulations that are in place to keep our vendors and customers safe. <sigh> Our "hope" is that our governor announces that mask wearing is necessary in public spaces as which point we can call in our local police to monitor and enforce. At the same time, our police force is fairly conservative so they decide that they won't enforce state orders as that is now a "thing". If that happens, we'll shut down which would be devastating for our community and our small farmer/producers.
That’s my thing to. I don’t have a problem with anyone who disagrees with social distancing, but I’m scared I’ll get exposed and I don’t want to be rude like “get TF away from me” because we don’t have the same opinion.

Good luck to you and your business.
My best friend was spit on at Walmart yesterday because she was wearing a mask - she was a customer, not a worker not that it makes that much of a difference. She was spit on! This goes so far beyond a difference of opinion or politics. I'm sorry, but these people are not good people. They just aren't. No amount of constitutional rights explaining is going to convince me that people who are irate about face masks are well intended. I'm not sure our business will shut down but if this continues, I'll quit as will some of our vendors. Balancing personal safety with economic solvency is pretty yucky. No one should feel physically endangered by selling meat, veg, eggs, or bread at a farmers market!
People have lost their ever loving minds. Why would it bother anyone? If that makes the person feel better to have that mask on, go for it. Wear a full hazmat suit. Why would anyone care? I expect the same courtesy though when I'm not wearing a mask.

We've got the opposite situation here. They've been mandatory in the village my father lives in since the end of April and statewide since May 1st. I don't wear one. I was talking to the manager at one of the major grocery store chains and she was saying that people have actually called the police on people they've seen shopping without a mask. The entire world has absolutely lost it.
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WellPreserved wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 8:41 am
29again wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 1:27 am
WellPreserved wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:30 pm

My best friend was spit on at Walmart yesterday because she was wearing a mask - she was a customer, not a worker not that it makes that much of a difference. She was spit on! This goes so far beyond a difference of opinion or politics. I'm sorry, but these people are not good people. They just aren't. No amount of constitutional rights explaining is going to convince me that people who are irate about face masks are well intended. I'm not sure our business will shut down but if this continues, I'll quit as will some of our vendors. Balancing personal safety with economic solvency is pretty yucky. No one should feel physically endangered by selling meat, veg, eggs, or bread at a farmers market!
Pretty sure y'all know I'm in the "no mask" camp, but what happened to your friend is all kinds of wrong. I might have my own opinion about wearing a mask but spitting on someone because they are wearing a mask is definitely NOT the thing to do. We're not all assholes. I am hoping that the spitter was arrested, because that IS assault.

I personally feel that if a store mandates a mask, then I will not shop there. I don't harbor ill-will towards the store or the employees, and I won't go there and cause a scene whining about my rights - it's private property and they can set the rules. I can choose to go elsewhere.
It's interesting to me that there is an urban/rural divide on whether to not to wear masks. I had a call-in meeting with Virginia Farmers Markets and urban market managers are not having an issue enforcing the mask rule - only the rural managers are having issues. I can't figure out why?

I read the article you posted - written by a therapist, not a doctor. She sites several "studies" in her opinion piece and I looked at a couple of them and found them suspect. I rely on CDC, Mayo, and my personal physician on medical advice and right now, they are all saying wear a mask to protect others so you are damn skippy I'm going to wear one.

I believe you are also in Virginia? Chances are Northam is going to announce on Tuesday that masks must be worn in public.
No, I am not in Virginia. I believe that wearing a mask should be a personal choice. I respect the right of corporations and businesses to require a mask to enter. I choose to not enter those businesses. I thought Northam already mandated the mask wearing in public. Which is why he is getting flak about being on the beach this weekend sans mask and social distancing.... if the governor, who made the rule, doesn't follow his own rules, why should anyone else?
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29again wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 5:36 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 8:41 am
29again wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 1:27 am

Pretty sure y'all know I'm in the "no mask" camp, but what happened to your friend is all kinds of wrong. I might have my own opinion about wearing a mask but spitting on someone because they are wearing a mask is definitely NOT the thing to do. We're not all assholes. I am hoping that the spitter was arrested, because that IS assault.

I personally feel that if a store mandates a mask, then I will not shop there. I don't harbor ill-will towards the store or the employees, and I won't go there and cause a scene whining about my rights - it's private property and they can set the rules. I can choose to go elsewhere.
It's interesting to me that there is an urban/rural divide on whether to not to wear masks. I had a call-in meeting with Virginia Farmers Markets and urban market managers are not having an issue enforcing the mask rule - only the rural managers are having issues. I can't figure out why?

I read the article you posted - written by a therapist, not a doctor. She sites several "studies" in her opinion piece and I looked at a couple of them and found them suspect. I rely on CDC, Mayo, and my personal physician on medical advice and right now, they are all saying wear a mask to protect others so you are damn skippy I'm going to wear one.

I believe you are also in Virginia? Chances are Northam is going to announce on Tuesday that masks must be worn in public.
No, I am not in Virginia. I believe that wearing a mask should be a personal choice. I respect the right of corporations and businesses to require a mask to enter. I choose to not enter those businesses. I thought Northam already mandated the mask wearing in public. Which is why he is getting flak about being on the beach this weekend sans mask and social distancing.... if the governor, who made the rule, doesn't follow his own rules, why should anyone else?
Mask wearing was recommended in Virginia and it was stupid of Northam to be in public without wearing one. I believe today it may be mandatory.
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WellPreserved wrote: Tue May 26, 2020 1:04 pm
29again wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 5:36 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 8:41 am

It's interesting to me that there is an urban/rural divide on whether to not to wear masks. I had a call-in meeting with Virginia Farmers Markets and urban market managers are not having an issue enforcing the mask rule - only the rural managers are having issues. I can't figure out why?

I read the article you posted - written by a therapist, not a doctor. She sites several "studies" in her opinion piece and I looked at a couple of them and found them suspect. I rely on CDC, Mayo, and my personal physician on medical advice and right now, they are all saying wear a mask to protect others so you are damn skippy I'm going to wear one.

I believe you are also in Virginia? Chances are Northam is going to announce on Tuesday that masks must be worn in public.
No, I am not in Virginia. I believe that wearing a mask should be a personal choice. I respect the right of corporations and businesses to require a mask to enter. I choose to not enter those businesses. I thought Northam already mandated the mask wearing in public. Which is why he is getting flak about being on the beach this weekend sans mask and social distancing.... if the governor, who made the rule, doesn't follow his own rules, why should anyone else?
Mask wearing was recommended in Virginia and it was stupid of Northam to be in public without wearing one. I believe today it may be mandatory.
Yeah, I heard he made the order today. With all the fuss made about him being without one, I thought he had already made that order.
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WellPreserved wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:30 pm
SouthernIslander wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:09 pm
WellPreserved wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 9:24 pm From the article:

"Fauci believes many parts of the country are ready for “cautious” and “prudent” reopenings, though he warned that guidelines for social distancing and mask-wearing must still be adhered to, he said during an appearance on CNBC Friday."

I totally agree but unfortunately, as I've experienced the last couple of weeks, social distancing and mask wearing seems to be virtually impossible for a significant portion of the population. I don't get it but we are discussing shutting down our business simply because people can't follow simple rules and regulations that are in place to keep our vendors and customers safe. <sigh> Our "hope" is that our governor announces that mask wearing is necessary in public spaces as which point we can call in our local police to monitor and enforce. At the same time, our police force is fairly conservative so they decide that they won't enforce state orders as that is now a "thing". If that happens, we'll shut down which would be devastating for our community and our small farmer/producers.
That’s my thing to. I don’t have a problem with anyone who disagrees with social distancing, but I’m scared I’ll get exposed and I don’t want to be rude like “get TF away from me” because we don’t have the same opinion.

Good luck to you and your business.
My best friend was spit on at Walmart yesterday because she was wearing a mask - she was a customer, not a worker not that it makes that much of a difference. She was spit on! This goes so far beyond a difference of opinion or politics. I'm sorry, but these people are not good people. They just aren't. No amount of constitutional rights explaining is going to convince me that people who are irate about face masks are well intended. I'm not sure our business will shut down but if this continues, I'll quit as will some of our vendors. Balancing personal safety with economic solvency is pretty yucky. No one should feel physically endangered by selling meat, veg, eggs, or bread at a farmers market!
These no mask people areTrump’s base. He’s made safety a political issue. The country is opening back up but that doesn’t stop Trump from continuing to rile these idiots up.
He’ll do anything to divert their attention away from an upcoming depression and the fact that he has no plan. And they’re like children. Easily conned.
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Valentina327 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 12:33 am
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Valentina327 wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 10:08 am Why is he even still talking?
Unbelievable. Two months ago he was all for keeping the country shut down until there is a vaccine. Then we had the 'don't wear masks' flipped to 'everyone needs to wear a mask'. I think he misses his 10 minutes of fame each day when Trump did his updates. Now, Trump is having his press sec'y do most of the daily updates. And, he's definitely fallen out of favor with Trump. Doing a face palm on live TV when Trump first talked about hydroxychloroquine didn't help his standing with Trump either.
Don't even get me started on that weasel and HCQ. There's an entire list of trials doctors are bringing forward in real time showing 91% efficacy. Not just one. A list.

The most unconscionable part? HE did the initial study back in August 2005 where he knew that HCQ relieved AND even had a prophylactic effect on SARS 1. That piece of crap STILL stands there and claims there's nothing to treat this SARS CoV2 virus when he's known for 15 years that this drug is effective on the SARS 1 virus. He should have run forward with this medication IF he was interested in public health and safety. That is clearly not a factor here.

He should be charged with 69,000 counts of murder. Or however many actual Covid deaths there really are. He's stood there and watched mothers and fathers and grandparents suffer and die needlessly. He runs his mouth about needless suffering and pain if we open the country back up ... Last week. Now of course he's changing his tune.

That little weasel belongs behind bars, not on any stage and certainly not with half of the population hanging on his every word as if its gospel. I haven't even lost anyone to this "virus" and this makes me absolutely furious.

Excerpts from the August 2005 write up with conclusion below. Directly from the NIH site.


Capture+_2020-05-23-08-21-41.pngCapture+_2020-05-23-08-20-54.pngCapture+_2020-05-23-08-20-36.png
If HCQ is such an effective treatment for covid-19, then why did France ban its use?
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pinkbutterfly66 wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 8:57 pm
Valentina327 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 12:33 am
Mommamia wrote: Sat May 23, 2020 10:49 pm

Unbelievable. Two months ago he was all for keeping the country shut down until there is a vaccine. Then we had the 'don't wear masks' flipped to 'everyone needs to wear a mask'. I think he misses his 10 minutes of fame each day when Trump did his updates. Now, Trump is having his press sec'y do most of the daily updates. And, he's definitely fallen out of favor with Trump. Doing a face palm on live TV when Trump first talked about hydroxychloroquine didn't help his standing with Trump either.
Don't even get me started on that weasel and HCQ. There's an entire list of trials doctors are bringing forward in real time showing 91% efficacy. Not just one. A list.

The most unconscionable part? HE did the initial study back in August 2005 where he knew that HCQ relieved AND even had a prophylactic effect on SARS 1. That piece of crap STILL stands there and claims there's nothing to treat this SARS CoV2 virus when he's known for 15 years that this drug is effective on the SARS 1 virus. He should have run forward with this medication IF he was interested in public health and safety. That is clearly not a factor here.

He should be charged with 69,000 counts of murder. Or however many actual Covid deaths there really are. He's stood there and watched mothers and fathers and grandparents suffer and die needlessly. He runs his mouth about needless suffering and pain if we open the country back up ... Last week. Now of course he's changing his tune.

That little weasel belongs behind bars, not on any stage and certainly not with half of the population hanging on his every word as if its gospel. I haven't even lost anyone to this "virus" and this makes me absolutely furious.

Excerpts from the August 2005 write up with conclusion below. Directly from the NIH site.


Capture+_2020-05-23-08-21-41.pngCapture+_2020-05-23-08-20-54.pngCapture+_2020-05-23-08-20-36.png
If HCQ is such an effective treatment for covid-19, then why did France ban its use?
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WellPreserved wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 9:01 pm
pinkbutterfly66 wrote: Wed May 27, 2020 8:57 pm
Valentina327 wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 12:33 am

Don't even get me started on that weasel and HCQ. There's an entire list of trials doctors are bringing forward in real time showing 91% efficacy. Not just one. A list.

The most unconscionable part? HE did the initial study back in August 2005 where he knew that HCQ relieved AND even had a prophylactic effect on SARS 1. That piece of crap STILL stands there and claims there's nothing to treat this SARS CoV2 virus when he's known for 15 years that this drug is effective on the SARS 1 virus. He should have run forward with this medication IF he was interested in public health and safety. That is clearly not a factor here.

He should be charged with 69,000 counts of murder. Or however many actual Covid deaths there really are. He's stood there and watched mothers and fathers and grandparents suffer and die needlessly. He runs his mouth about needless suffering and pain if we open the country back up ... Last week. Now of course he's changing his tune.

That little weasel belongs behind bars, not on any stage and certainly not with half of the population hanging on his every word as if its gospel. I haven't even lost anyone to this "virus" and this makes me absolutely furious.

Excerpts from the August 2005 write up with conclusion below. Directly from the NIH site.


Capture+_2020-05-23-08-21-41.pngCapture+_2020-05-23-08-20-54.pngCapture+_2020-05-23-08-20-36.png
If HCQ is such an effective treatment for covid-19, then why did France ban its use?
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