Socialism

[Deleted User 1074]

for those who support Bernie, EXPLAIN THIS MAJOR FLIP FLOP. does it scare you he admitted open borders and socialism don't work together, said it would make everyone in the US poorer and now a few years later he's in favor of open borders?

I support anyonebuttrump. I haven't paid much attention to Bernie because I didn't think he had a chance. But now that he does, I listened to him a little last night. He is promising free childcare, free healthcare, free trade school and state college. He wants billionaires taxed at a higher rate and claims the top three people in this country own as much as the bottom 50% of the country.

Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better. It didn't happen. Bernie's Medicare for all probably won't happen. Free childcare probably won't happen. I think Ivanka was supposed to work on that, I haven't heard any updates.

Trump is on the extreme right, Bernie is on the extreme left. Neither are going to get their way 100%. We have a congress and court.

Even if bernie taxed all billionaires 90% it wouldnt be enough to pay for all of his entitlements. He finally admitted any family making over 29k per year would pay taxes for medicaid for all. thats just ONE of many entitlements he has planned.

however, that wasnt my question. Bernie in 2015 clearly stated open borders (and yes, eliminating ice/BP, having no wall, ceasing deportations and giving welfare to illegals IS OPEN BORDERS. ) would not work with socialism. He said the entire 3rd world would come here if we waved that giant carrot in front of their eyes.

how do you feel about him now flip flopping supporting open borders? The math didnt change. He is promoting something he knows will fail, does that bother you?

[Deleted User 1074]

Imagine a work party, everyone brings a dish to the potluck. 1, 2, maybe 3 people forget. Not a big deal, there's still enough food to go around right? everyone gets a little less, but there's enough to survive right because you have enough people who did their part and brought something.

Now imagine all of the employees from surrounding business show up bring nothing but help themselves to everyone else's dishes, you quickly run out of food.

this is what would happen with socialism + open borders.

BERNIE KNOWS THIS, HE SAID IT 5 YEARS AGO!!!

[Della]

"Senator Bernie Sanders pushed back to clarify his position on immigration on Sunday after he was asked in Iowa about his reported support for open borders."

"I'm afraid you may be getting your information wrong," said Sanders, an independent from Vermont who is currently seeking the Democratic nomination to unseat President Donald Trump in 2020, The Washington Post reported. "I think what we need is comprehensive immigration reform," he said."

"Oh my god, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it," the senator added."
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"Sanders, however, has long criticized open borders. In 2015, he referred to them as a "right wing proposal" pushed forward by the wealthy Koch brothers. "You're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world which believes in that," he said in an interview with Ezra Klein of Vox."

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders ... on-1388767

[Lemons]

for those who support Bernie, EXPLAIN THIS MAJOR FLIP FLOP. does it scare you he admitted open borders and socialism don't work together, said it would make everyone in the US poorer and now a few years later he's in favor of open borders?

I support anyonebuttrump. I haven't paid much attention to Bernie because I didn't think he had a chance. But now that he does, I listened to him a little last night. He is promising free childcare, free healthcare, free trade school and state college. He wants billionaires taxed at a higher rate and claims the top three people in this country own as much as the bottom 50% of the country.

Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better. It didn't happen. Bernie's Medicare for all probably won't happen. Free childcare probably won't happen. I think Ivanka was supposed to work on that, I haven't heard any updates.

Trump is on the extreme right, Bernie is on the extreme left. Neither are going to get their way 100%. We have a congress and court.

Even if bernie taxed all billionaires 90% it wouldnt be enough to pay for all of his entitlements. He finally admitted anyone making over 29k per year would pay taxes for medicaid for all. thats just ONE of many entitlements he has planned.

however, that wasnt my question. Bernie in 2015 clearly stated open borders (and yes, eliminating ice/BP, having no wall, ceasing deportations and giving welfare to illegals IS OPEN BORDERS. ) would not work with socialism. He said the entire 3rd world would come here if we waved that giant carrot in front of their eyes.

how do you feel about him now flip flopping supporting open borders? The math didnt change. He is promoting something he knows will fail, does that bother you?

You get a lot of information wrong because you only read right wing news. Main stream news is main stream for a reason. It’s not extreme on either end. Keep your favorite news but add some real news.

They used to say Hilary wanted open borders. It’s right wing news lying and exaggerating

[Deleted User 1074]

"Senator Bernie Sanders pushed back to clarify his position on immigration on Sunday after he was asked in Iowa about his reported support for open borders."

"I'm afraid you may be getting your information wrong," said Sanders, an independent from Vermont who is currently seeking the Democratic nomination to unseat President Donald Trump in 2020, The Washington Post reported. "I think what we need is comprehensive immigration reform," he said."

"Oh my god, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it," the senator added."
…

"Sanders, however, has long criticized open borders. In 2015, he referred to them as a "right wing proposal" pushed forward by the wealthy Koch brothers. "You're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world which believes in that," he said in an interview with Ezra Klein of Vox."

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders ... on-1388767

what are you trying to prove? that he flip flopped? good job.



yes, giving medicaid to illegals is "immigration reform" lol

Bernie Sanders' immigration plan would put moratorium on deportations, end ICE raids

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics ... index.html

[Deleted User 1074]

Key Points
Institute a moratorium on deportations until a thorough audit of past practices and policies is complete.<<< NO CONSEQUENCES, EVERYONE WALK RIGHT IN!
Reinstate and expand DACA and develop a humane policy for those seeking asylum.
Completely reshape and reform our immigration enforcement system, including breaking up ICE and CBP and redistributing their functions to their proper authorities.
Dismantle cruel and inhumane deportation programs and detention centers and reunite families who have been separated.
Live up to our ideals as a nation and welcome refugees and those seeking asylum, including those displaced by climate change.
Work with Congress to codify limitations on the President’s ability to restrict or suspend the entry of people or classes of people into the United States by passing the National Origin-Based Antidiscrimination for Nonimmigrants (NO BAN) Act.
Instruct DOJ to drop any litigation or funding restrictions relating to sanctuary cities.
End President Trump’s “Remain in Mexico,” metering, and “Safe Third Country” policies and allow asylum seekers to make their claims in the United States
Reverse DOJ guidance to deny asylum claims on the basis of fleeing domestic or gang violence, including those targeted for their sexual orientation or gender identity.
Rescind any proposed rules that deny public housing to families with an undocumented member.
Rescind President Trump’s so-called “public charge” rule to ensure our system does not discriminate on the basis of income or disability and that immigrants do not have to fear endangering their immigration status in order to access basic supports and services.
Stop all construction of the racist and ineffective wall on the U.S.-Mexico Border
Authorizing and funding community-based alternatives to detention, which will connect migrants with health, legal, educational, and work resources <<< REWARD
Create a $14 billion federal grant program for indigent defense, set a national minimum salary for public defenders, and set national quotas for public defenders based on population and need. <<< PAY FOR THEIR LAWYERS? WTF
End the targeting, surveillance, and prosecution of migrant justice activists as well as those providing humanitarian and legal aid at the border.
Enact College for All, which will make public colleges and universities tuition and debt free to all regardless of immigration status, and provide first-generation and minority students supports and services needed to end equity gaps in higher education attainment. <<< FREE COLLEGE FOR ILLEGALS, that wont attract them
Pass a permanent repeal of the public charge statute, so we do not penalize immigrants who at some point may need to access support programs such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI).
Pass the Embrace Act introduced by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to ensure immigrants get the assistance they need. <<< MORE WELFARE

https://berniesanders.com/issues/welcom ... erica-all/

SO YES INVITE THE ENTIRE 3RD WORLD.

[Deleted User 1074]

I support anyonebuttrump. I haven't paid much attention to Bernie because I didn't think he had a chance. But now that he does, I listened to him a little last night. He is promising free childcare, free healthcare, free trade school and state college. He wants billionaires taxed at a higher rate and claims the top three people in this country own as much as the bottom 50% of the country.

Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better. It didn't happen. Bernie's Medicare for all probably won't happen. Free childcare probably won't happen. I think Ivanka was supposed to work on that, I haven't heard any updates.

Trump is on the extreme right, Bernie is on the extreme left. Neither are going to get their way 100%. We have a congress and court.

Even if bernie taxed all billionaires 90% it wouldnt be enough to pay for all of his entitlements. He finally admitted anyone making over 29k per year would pay taxes for medicaid for all. thats just ONE of many entitlements he has planned.

however, that wasnt my question. Bernie in 2015 clearly stated open borders (and yes, eliminating ice/BP, having no wall, ceasing deportations and giving welfare to illegals IS OPEN BORDERS. ) would not work with socialism. He said the entire 3rd world would come here if we waved that giant carrot in front of their eyes.

how do you feel about him now flip flopping supporting open borders? The math didnt change. He is promoting something he knows will fail, does that bother you?

You get a lot of information wrong because you only read right wing news. Main stream news is main stream for a reason. It’s not extreme on either end. Keep your favorite news but add some real news.

They used to say Hilary wanted open borders. It’s right wing news lying and exaggerating

lol, I used CNN, Vox and Bernie's own website as my sources! Cearly you aren't paying attention to what I post. what have I said that's wrong? and MSM isnt mainstream because they are more credible. THEY ALL GET CAUGHT BULLSHITTING. I use left wing sources alongside right wing sources to appease you lefties but they are far from credible. do you think fox is trustworthy and accurate? its mainstream.

[Deleted User 1074]

I support anyonebuttrump. I haven't paid much attention to Bernie because I didn't think he had a chance. But now that he does, I listened to him a little last night. He is promising free childcare, free healthcare, free trade school and state college. He wants billionaires taxed at a higher rate and claims the top three people in this country own as much as the bottom 50% of the country.

Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better. It didn't happen. Bernie's Medicare for all probably won't happen. Free childcare probably won't happen. I think Ivanka was supposed to work on that, I haven't heard any updates.

Trump is on the extreme right, Bernie is on the extreme left. Neither are going to get their way 100%. We have a congress and court.

Even if bernie taxed all billionaires 90% it wouldnt be enough to pay for all of his entitlements. He finally admitted anyone making over 29k per year would pay taxes for medicaid for all. thats just ONE of many entitlements he has planned.

however, that wasnt my question. Bernie in 2015 clearly stated open borders (and yes, eliminating ice/BP, having no wall, ceasing deportations and giving welfare to illegals IS OPEN BORDERS. ) would not work with socialism. He said the entire 3rd world would come here if we waved that giant carrot in front of their eyes.

how do you feel about him now flip flopping supporting open borders? The math didnt change. He is promoting something he knows will fail, does that bother you?

You get a lot of information wrong because you only read right wing news. Main stream news is main stream for a reason. It’s not extreme on either end. Keep your favorite news but add some real news.

They used to say Hilary wanted open borders. It’s right wing news lying and exaggerating

did you read the bullet points I posted from his website?

look it over then come back and tell me how that wouldnt remove all consequences for crossing the border, make it easy to cross the border, incentivize crossing the border and REWARD illegally crossing the border. he indicated the whole 3rd world coming here would be bad, show me how anything he has on his website is congruent with that.

[AngelicUnicorn]

Of course not, one is if the advantages of socialism those in power get to decide how much someone gets to keep. So, if you don’t have anything now, don’t worry, you still won’t have shit under Bernie.

[Lemons]

Of course not, one is if the advantages of socialism those in power get to decide how much someone gets to keep. So, if you don’t have anything now, don’t worry, you still won’t have shit under Bernie.

Those in power always get to decide how much someone gets to keep.