Socialism

[Valentina327]

No rich politician pandering for votes with socialism is going to give up any of their money or property. Socialism will apply to everyone but them.

Sanders isn't rich. And for some reason he's winning over Americans. We might go from an old reality show corrupt narcissist to an old hippy socialist.

$2.5M net worth for Sanders - what's the average American net worth? Income?

$1M or greater is wealthy and only 3.5% of people in the US qualifies.

He preaches socialism for the citizenry, yet is head and shoulders above the majority of Americans financially?

How is that not blatant, screaming hypocrisy?

Why should his wealth not be redistributed?

How many families could be housed in his extra homes?

You and your compadres are REALLY all good with him living like that, but heavily increasing your taxes, essentially deciding how much you deserve and can retain to live on? Spending the money you earn "redistributing" your wealth to those that choose not to work? To whomever and whatever they deem worthy?

We all know that the overlords aren't going to reduce their standard of living, simply take what they want out of the pockets of the peasantry. This is what you and your ilk are dying to usher in? This is the America you're all dying to see put in place?

[WellPreserved]

No, he didn’t say that it is free, he says It should be. He thinks that everyone should have health coverage and pay nothing out of pocket when they visit the doctor.

That’s usually the way it goes. Socialism works for the very rich or for the poor. It screws the hardworking middle class. Politicians who pander socialism are just saying that they’ll play Robin Hood and take from the “rich” (middle class) and give to the poor. But they’re certainly not about to give up their luxuries and “equalize” society. Bernie advocates “free Medicare for all” but when he needs medical attention, you can be sure he’ll pay top dollar for a top notch one.
Seahorse he thinks all of America should have mediocre health care and mediocre education because he wants those free-for-all, he should live that way himself or shut his pie hole.

Medicare has never been free. Has Bernie said it is?

Current Medicare and Medicaid is sliding scale based on income and needs. Isn't that what Bernie is advocating for? Wouldn't that be what an increase in taxes to fund actually do? I've never heard Sanders or any of his supporters say they wanted free healthcare but I could be wrong. I haven't been paying too much attention to healthcare in the debates.

[Linda_Runs]

Under a pure socialist society, there is no privately owned property, but pure socialism doesn't really exist, neither does pure communism. George Orwell's book Animal Farm illustrates that well, albeit on a very basic level. The type of socialism we usually see in the world are socialist countries, but not pure or real socialism.

[Linda_Runs]

This is how my husband explained socialist societies to our 13 year old who is an outstanding and hard working student:

She and all her other hard working fellow students get all A's and A+'s. Then there are the students who don't care and those that are incapable of getting A's but suffer with F's and D's. So what the school will do is combine all the grades from all the students and give everyone a "B" grade. There would be no failures but no honour rolls either. That is how a socialist society works.

[AuntFlo]

I would like to see a flat 10% tax across the board

Chip away at our trillions in debt and give out healthcare with the option of buying healthcare if you want

Basic healthcare should be a right

Nobody should be turned away for life sustaining medication or go into massive amounts of debt for life saving surgery

At that point you’re putting a price on peoples lives

[Linda_Runs]

I would like to see a flat 10% tax across the board

Chip away at our trillions in debt and give out healthcare with the option of buying healthcare if you want

Basic healthcare should be a right

Nobody should be turned away for life sustaining medication or go into massive amounts of debt for life saving surgery

At that point you’re putting a price on peoples lives

I agree that basic healthcare should be taxpayer provided. Looking north to Canada that has a struggling healthcare system that is not even a national one anymore, the cost is roughly 10 times the defense budget.

[Lemons]

I would like to see a flat 10% tax across the board

Chip away at our trillions in debt and give out healthcare with the option of buying healthcare if you want

Basic healthcare should be a right

Nobody should be turned away for life sustaining medication or go into massive amounts of debt for life saving surgery

At that point you’re putting a price on peoples lives

I agree that basic healthcare should be taxpayer provided. Looking north to Canada that has a struggling healthcare system that is not even a national one anymore, the cost is roughly 10 times the defense budget.

You’re lucky your country puts your taxes into healthcare not your military.

The best healthcare system for our country would be a version of obamacare. Most people keep their insurance through their employers. Other random people would be pooled together to get a group rate. If someone can’t afford the premiums they would get a subsidy.

Republicans had to get hateful thoughts and freak out because it was a requirement. Now it looks like younger voters might decide Medicare for all is,the way to go. Most of our lawmakers are so old they’re already on Medicare.

[Lemons]

No rich politician pandering for votes with socialism is going to give up any of their money or property. Socialism will apply to everyone but them.

Sanders isn't rich. And for some reason he's winning over Americans. We might go from an old reality show corrupt narcissist to an old hippy socialist.

$2.5M net worth for Sanders - what's the average American net worth? Income?

$1M or greater is wealthy and only 3.5% of people in the US qualifies.

He preaches socialism for the citizenry, yet is head and shoulders above the majority of Americans financially?

How is that not blatant, screaming hypocrisy?

Why should his wealth not be redistributed?

How many families could be housed in his extra homes?

You and your compadres are REALLY all good with him living like that, but heavily increasing your taxes, essentially deciding how much you deserve and can retain to live on? Spending the money you earn "redistributing" your wealth to those that choose not to work? To whomever and whatever they deem worthy?

We all know that the overlords aren't going to reduce their standard of living, simply take what they want out of the pockets of the peasantry. This is what you and your ilk are dying to usher in? This is the America you're all dying to see put in place?

$1 million dollars net worth hasn’t been wealthy since the 80’s. All Sanders is talking about is a billionaires tax.

If your income goes up from say $38,000 per year to $42,000 per year because you were promoted, you will be paying a higher percentage of your income in federal taxes. But people who make $55,000,000 per year are paying the same rate as someone making $500,000 per year. They are nickel and diming the lowest income people but leaving the super high incomes alone.

So, don’t worry about the billionaires, they are doing fine.

[Deleted User 1074]

for those who support Bernie, EXPLAIN THIS MAJOR FLIP FLOP. does it scare you he admitted open borders and socialism don't work together, said it would make everyone in the US poorer and now a few years later he's in favor of open borders?

Bernie:

"Open borders?" he interjected. "No, that's a Koch brothers proposal." The idea, he argued, is a right-wing scheme meant to flood the US with cheap labor and depress wages for native-born workers. "I think from a moral responsibility, we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty," he conceded, "but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."

"If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it. So that is not my position.”

[Lemons]

for those who support Bernie, EXPLAIN THIS MAJOR FLIP FLOP. does it scare you he admitted open borders and socialism don't work together, said it would make everyone in the US poorer and now a few years later he's in favor of open borders?

I support anyonebuttrump. I haven't paid much attention to Bernie because I didn't think he had a chance. But now that he does, I listened to him a little last night. He is promising free childcare, free healthcare, free trade school and state college. He wants billionaires taxed at a higher rate and claims the top three people in this country own as much as the bottom 50% of the country.

Trump promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with something better. It didn't happen. Bernie's Medicare for all probably won't happen. Free childcare probably won't happen. I think Ivanka was supposed to work on that, I haven't heard any updates.

Trump is on the extreme right, Bernie is on the extreme left. Neither are going to get their way 100%. We have a congress and court.