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[EarlGrayHot]

The left does not hate Israel. That's ridiculous.

[Momto2boys973]

No, sweetie, I don’t “side” with them or anybody, for that matter. And you’re just like him if you think that not worshipping his orange ass means being a traitor to Jews and Israel. That’s BS and it’s insulting to any person with some degree of intelligence. You’re insulting ME with that comment. I’m a strong supporter of Israel, I contribute to charities in Israel, DH and I hope someday to move to Israel. That doesn’t mean I have to ignore Trump’s failings. I happen to agree with them about Trump’s incompetence as president, his mental instability and his utter lack of morals. But unlike you, I have the capacity not to throw myself on one side and blindly follow it. I have a brain and I can have opinions independent from those of either “side”. I understand that you have to just follow your guru and do and think as he says. I don’t. So I can agree with each side on different issues without that conflicting my mind. Maybe I’m just not so simple minded

And no, not all the left hates Israel. The extremists do. Many democratic candidates are actually quite pro-Israel and against BDS, like Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Klobuchar. And that’s why I would gladly vote for any of them if it means no Trump and a healthy and positive relationship with Israel. I have repeatedly said that I could never support a candidate like Sanders. I even said that if forced to choose between Sanders and Trump, I would have to support Trump, as much as it would pain me. And you know why? First, because I disagree with Sanders’ position regarding Israel, and second, because I think his extreme socialism will destroy America’s economy. So please, don’t accuse me of being so one sided, because I’m not.

OMG. That is such a lie. Please educate yourself before making such comments. And not only are they false, but you’re justifying the targeting of innocent CHILDREN as understandably “fighting back”. How can you do that and then turn around and hug your own? It doesn’t matter what anyone does to you, even if your distorted views of history were true, that still isn’t an excuse to target and murder innocent children.

It’s weird how the “build the wall!” crowd considers palestinians as terrorists when they fight back against a force that has literally been forcing them out of their homes for decades.

because the left hates Israel, but orange man bad so you side with them.

[Deleted User 1074]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/ ... ork-times/

[Lemons]

The religious fanatics love Israel for their own selfish reasons. They think it’s their holy land and the Palestinians are just in their way.

[Momto2boys973]

It’s another side of the simple minded- blatant generalizations. It’s easier for them to form opinions with an “us vs them” mentality than to realize that the reality is a bit more complex than that.
Now, it is a fact that the liberal left does tend to be more anti-Israel than the conservative right. There’s no point in denying it. I’m sure there are anti-Israel people amongst the Republicans as there are pro-Israel people amongst the Democrats. We really need to differentiate between a tendency and a reality. Just because a person who is anti-Israel is more likely to be a democrat, that doesn’t mean that a democrat is more likely to be anti-Israel, KWIM? It may be a subtle difference, but an important one.
And here’s the other thing: just because Trump has formed a very positive relationship with Israel, that really doesn’t mean that he loves Jews, or even Israelis. It simply means he realizes the convenience of it. He has made quite a few questionable comments regarding Jews to consider him a friend. From those comments it’s obvious he’s pandering and he’s manipulating as he usually does. And fact is, if a relationship with Israel was suddenly not in his best personal interest, he’ll drop it like a hot potato. So I hate those Trumpers trying to manipulate my opinion of Trump by throwing his “friendly” attitude towards Israel and then making the very simple minded comment that “the left” hates Israel.
Well, I’m educated and intelligent to realize that no, Trump doesn’t “love” Israel, he simply realizes the benefits of a relationship ship with Israel. And no, the left doesn’t “hate” Israel. But the extreme (that’s the keyword here) left panders to those less fortunate and so they get more support as they vilify the strong and victimize the weak and vow to take the weak’s side.
In fact, most Democratic candidates are very supportive of Israel.

The left does not hate Israel. That's ridiculous.

[Momto2boys973]

Exactly. The evangelicals Trump panders to so much don’t really support Jews. The most hateful person I ever encountered on Cafemom was one of them, who loved to send everyone to “Hell”, starting with the evil Jews who denied and then killed Jesus. But, oh yes, they have to support Israel, why? I mean, seriously, what’s their logic behind it? After all, we supposedly killed Jesus, Muslims didn’t even exist then, Jesus in Judaism is a human being, a historical figure, Islam at least gave him prophet status, so why give US preference? I would love to know what makes us so worthy in their eyes, even if we’ll all end up burning in Hell.

The religious fanatics love Israel for their own selfish reasons. They think it’s their holy land and the Palestinians are just in their way.

[Deleted User 1074]

No, sweetie, I don’t “side” with them or anybody, for that matter. And you’re just like him if you think that not worshipping his orange ass means being a traitor to Jews and Israel. That’s BS and it’s insulting to any person with some degree of intelligence. You insulting ME with that comment. I’m a strong supporter of Israel, I contribute to charities in Israel, DH and Imhooe someday to move to Israel. That doesn’t mean I have to ignore Trump’s failings. I happen to agree with them about Trump’s incompetence as president, his mental instability and his utter lack of morals. But unlike you, I have the capacity not to throw myself on one side and blindly follow it. I have a brain and I can have opinions independent from those of either “side”. I understand that you have to just follow your guru and do and think as he says. I don’t. So I can agree with each side on different issues without that co flirting my mind. Maybe I’m just not so simple minded
And no, not all the left hates Israel. The extremists do. Many democratic candidates are actually quite pro-Israel and against BDS, like Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Klobuchar. I have repeatedly said that I could never support a candidate like Sanders. I even said that if forced to choose between Sanders and Trump, I would have to support Trump, as much as it would pain me. So please, don’t accuse me of being so one sided, because I’m not.

OMG. That is such a lie. Please educate yourself before making such comments. And not only are they false, but you’re justifying the targeting of innocent CHILDREN as understandably “fighting back”. How can you do that and then turn around and hug your own? It doesn’t matter what anyone does to you, even if your distorted views of history were true, that still isn’t an excuse to target and murder innocent children.

because the left hates Israel, but orange man bad so you side with them.

lol, never called you a traitor, you're the only one who name calls here. you just called me stupid, quit clutching your pearls. It's a fact that the progressive left hates Israel. I've got news for you, when the boomer dems retire out of gov, the new generation is far left progressive and HATES Israel. Pete is an opportunist trying to appeal to "swing voters" and speak out of both sides of his mouth. He truly is sneaky pete and you have to read beyond the headlines about him to get the truth. He wants to condition aid to Israel for example. Just like he says he doesn't support medicaid for all then adds he wants to "gradually" move to medicaid for all, so he does just not overnight.

you're not simple minded? spare me the intellectually superior bullshit lecture- we have a 2 party system- like it or not- it is what it is. You do side with one over the other and everything that goes along with it. platitudes don't change that whichever administration you vote for will have an agenda and will take action in line with the party's values- not cater to your individual specific contradictory stances . if you don't think Israel will be screwed with a hypothetical democrat house, senate and presidency, you're fooling yourself. the only thing saving Israel is the existence of swing voters, ironically "loyal" Jewish voters and dare I say the EC forcing dems to hold back for a little while longer. jews are a super minority, as the dem base changes to migrants from other parts of the world, they will be the priority. there are almost 3x more illegal immigrants in the usa than jews. the dems discovered a simple way to do whatever they want w/o any accountability to voters- when voters are unhappy just import new ones desperate for a handout.

[Deleted User 1074]

Exactly. The evangelicals Trump panders to so much don’t really support Jews. The most hateful person I ever encountered on Cafemom was one of them, who loved to send everyone to “Hell”, starting with the evil Jews who denied and then killed Jesus. But, oh yes, they have to support Israel, why? I mean, seriously, what’s their logic behind it? After all, we supposedly killed Jesus, Muslims didn’t even exist then, so why give US preference? I would love to know what makes us so worthy in their eyes, even if we’ll all end up burning in Hell.

The religious fanatics love Israel for their own selfish reasons. They think it’s their holy land and the Palestinians are just in their way.

oh please most hasidic jews wont even TALK to or make eye contact with the evil, corrupt goyim. many very religious Jews believe gentiles will be their slaves when the messiah comes because they are so inferior to the chosen people. So please don't act like one hellfire and brimstone christian on cafe mom alone is the embodiment of evil and all other religious people are pure with pure intentions

if evangelicals support jews for selfish reasons, then jews accept it for selfish reasons. every alliance is based on interests of all parties. why do you guys pretend to be so obtuse?

[Deleted User 1074]

yes, its just evangelicals who are meanies because they believe the unsaved go to hell. Jews who believe gentiles don't have souls are different, don't criticize that!

‘Haaretz’ says many Orthodox are taught to see non-Jews as ‘not quite human’

According to Samuel Katz, who was brought up as a Satmar but later became secular, boys in the community are taught that non-Jews aren’t quite human. Speaking from Berlin, where he is doing biomedical research on a Fulbright fellowship, Katz explained that growing up in such a community, “you don’t see commonality with people who aren’t Jewish. There is a completely different taxonomy of people. There are Jews and then there are non-Jews, who don’t have souls.”

When the messiah comes, “every boy is taught that the bad goyim will be killed and the good gentiles will have the privilege of serving us, of being our slaves,” he told Haaretz. “The way Stark dealt with tenants is part of that world view… It’s not taking advantage of them, [rather] that is the world order you’re taught to expect.”

https://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/haaretz-orthodox-taught/

[Momto2boys973]

Gee... where did I use the word “stupid”...? But I guess if the shoe fits...
And sweetie, if you think Trump is oh-so friendly because he loves Israel and Jews, you’re seriously naive (oh sorry!! “Name calling”?)
He’s as sneaky and pandering as all the others. Even more, he knows how to take pandering to ultimate extremes. But hey, if that means a benefit for Israel, then so be it.

And I love your excuse of the 2 part system to avoid making your own mind regarding individual issues. That’s BS, hun. Because a 2 party system doesn’t mean a 2 extremes system. Even within each party there can be differing views and opposing opinions. So spare me your rationalization to have Trump do the opinion forming for you. Fact is, I can agree with him in some issues and disagree with him others. You lack the capacity to acknowledge both his flaws and the left’s old points. Good, bad, that’s the way you see things. No grey areas, no giving any credit to the “opposition”. Sorry if that offends you, but that is the very definition of a simple mind. After all, it is you Trump lovers who call any Republican not kissing orange ass a “RINO”. You have someone like William Weld in your party and yet, because he holds differing views and is critical of Trump, he’s a RINO. Your extremists buddies want to kick out Romney for doing the right thing, but since that meant not supporting Trump, well, he’s not a “true” Republican.
So please, tell me how making everything pro-Trump the “real” Republican Party and everything not supportive of Trump the “left” not a sign of simple “us vs them” mentality?

No, sweetie, I don’t “side” with them or anybody, for that matter. And you’re just like him if you think that not worshipping his orange ass means being a traitor to Jews and Israel. That’s BS and it’s insulting to any person with some degree of intelligence. You insulting ME with that comment. I’m a strong supporter of Israel, I contribute to charities in Israel, DH and Imhooe someday to move to Israel. That doesn’t mean I have to ignore Trump’s failings. I happen to agree with them about Trump’s incompetence as president, his mental instability and his utter lack of morals. But unlike you, I have the capacity not to throw myself on one side and blindly follow it. I have a brain and I can have opinions independent from those of either “side”. I understand that you have to just follow your guru and do and think as he says. I don’t. So I can agree with each side on different issues without that co flirting my mind. Maybe I’m just not so simple minded
And no, not all the left hates Israel. The extremists do. Many democratic candidates are actually quite pro-Israel and against BDS, like Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Klobuchar. I have repeatedly said that I could never support a candidate like Sanders. I even said that if forced to choose between Sanders and Trump, I would have to support Trump, as much as it would pain me. So please, don’t accuse me of being so one sided, because I’m not.

because the left hates Israel, but orange man bad so you side with them.

lol, never called you a traitor, you're the only one who name calls here. you just called me stupid, quit clutching your pearls. It's a fact that the progressive left hates Israel. I've got news for you, when the boomer dems retire out of gov, the new generation is far left progressive and HATES Israel. Pete is an opportunist trying to appeal to "swing voters" and speak out of both sides of his mouth. He truly is sneaky pete and you have to read beyond the headlines about him to get the truth. He wants to condition aid to Israel for example. Just like he says he doesn't support medicaid for all then adds he wants to "gradually" move to medicaid for all, so he does just not overnight.

you're not simple minded? spare me the intellectually superior bullshit lecture- we have a 2 party system- like it or not- it is what it is. You do side with one over the other and everything that goes along with it. platitudes don't change that whichever administration you vote for will have an agenda and will take action in line with the party's values- not cater to your individual specific contradictory stances . if you don't think Israel will be screwed with a hypothetical democrat house, senate and presidency, you're fooling yourself. the only thing saving Israel is the existence of swing voters, ironically "loyal" Jewish voters and dare I say the EC forcing dems to hold back for a little while longer. jews are a super minority, as the dem base changes to migrants from other parts of the world, they will be the priority. there are almost 3x more illegal immigrants in the usa than jews. the dems discovered a simple way to do whatever they want w/o any accountability to voters- when voters are unhappy just import new ones desperate for a handout.