Trump says he’s canceling G7 summit at his resort, blames Democrats, media

[Lemons]

Miami is a lot more pleasant in August than north Florida. And hurricanes are predictable weeks out. I'm not quite sure why you mentioned this. How long were you there? Did you not get word that Florida had a chance of a hurricane before you visited?

I like to go on vacations in places off season because I hate crowds. That part was perfect, it was very quiet. I’m used to hot humid summers in the northeast but they don’t compare. I don’t really think of the extremes like blizzard and hurricanes. Probably why we’ve been stuck in blizzards, torrential rains and hurricanes.

We were supposed to be there for two weeks but only six days before they had a mandatory evacuation. I also didn’t know that they evacuate days before it hits, thats how little I knew.

Why is north Florida worse?

I understand going on vacation in the off season, but Floridas hurricane season doesn't end until November. And South Floridas tourist season never really ends. You still have to pay attention to what's happening with weather predictions from a few thousand miles away from our state. Planning a two week vacation and having to evacuate eight days in tells me you should have checked the forecast.

"I don't really think of the extremes like blizzard and hurricanes. Probably why we've been stuck in blizzards, torrential rains and hurricanes" says a lot. I can't imagine planning a vacation to other states without checking the weather predictions a bit ahead of taking off. Which hurricane was this?

A lot more sticky and humid. Hotter than south Florida. Less ocean breezes because it's not the tip of the peninsula.

I’ll admit, I am not a great planner. My sister always tells me you have the worst luck with weather and vacations but it’s not bad luck as much as bad planning. The blizzard vacation was kind of cool though.

[Lemons]

He’s gotten away with quite a bit so far so he’s been pushing his luck. He did that a lot with his own business and shady dealings. That’s why he had three bankruptcies and no that’s not typical. That’s why every business he started on his own without his father has been a failure.

I suppose that would be a valid argument on the advertisement. I was just wondering how he was expecting to get around it and thought maybe he was going to donate everything so to not make a profit.

He would be receiving millions of dollars worth of advertising. There's no way around the fact that he would profit. And I doubt he's willing to give everyone free room service, free spa treatments, free alcohol, etc.

Plus who wants to be in Miami in August? It's the most unpleasant time of the year. It's definitely not the best place for the G7 meeting.

What if he doesn’t make a profit and he donates everything?

[Deleted User 638]

What if he doesn’t make a profit and he donates everything?

He's forbidden by the Constitution to do business with foreign governments. He's also forbidden to do business like that with this government.

Got it. Isn’t that the same for family members as well?

Family members aren't mentioned in the Constitution.

[BionicBunny]

He's forbidden by the Constitution to do business with foreign governments. He's also forbidden to do business like that with this government.

Got it. Isn’t that the same for family members as well?

Family members aren't mentioned in the Constitution.

Ok. I see.

[Valentina327]

Wonder if that will hold. He'll probably change his mind.

I think he’s been told he’s in enough trouble and even the republicans have had enough. Someone finally said, no, you F***ing moron, you can’t really shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it.

You know no one wants to be the one to tell the emperor he has no clothes!

[Valentina327]

He’s gotten away with quite a bit so far so he’s been pushing his luck. He did that a lot with his own business and shady dealings. That’s why he had three bankruptcies and no that’s not typical. That’s why every business he started on his own without his father has been a failure.

I suppose that would be a valid argument on the advertisement. I was just wondering how he was expecting to get around it and thought maybe he was going to donate everything so to not make a profit.

He would be receiving millions of dollars worth of advertising. There's no way around the fact that he would profit. And I doubt he's willing to give everyone free room service, free spa treatments, free alcohol, etc.

Plus who wants to be in Miami in August? It's the most unpleasant time of the year. It's definitely not the best place for the G7 meeting.

No. His businesses were not failures. Make no mistake. His bankruptcies were strategic. They were done with the intention that after a property was built, the BK was filed so that the goods and labor that went into erecting the building were then free. All of those people had their invoices wiped out and got nothing for all of their work.

He screwed countless companies in that way, literally driving people out of business. It's extremely sad when you think about it. Here these guys are, all excited that they got a contract to work for the infamous Trump, only to have their lives ruined. Horrible. An absolutely terrible thing to do to people. But it's good for him, so hey - why not?

[Deleted User 203]

It was never appropriate for the summit to be held there.

I'm sure the Democrats will find something else to throw a tantrum about so taking this out of the running for more fodder was wise.

Is there a reason they shouldn’t throw a “tantrum” when an elected president is spitting on the constitution?

How do you do it? You admit it was never appropriate based on our constitution and then in the next thought you seem to think it something the democrats did wrong.

Considering the political dudes pointing the fingers at his spitting are hocking their own, unless hypocrisy is again something they wish to demonstrate (though it's being done routinely), I find it rather telling albeit laughable.

How do I do...what? Have an opinion? You mean....like you do? I mean, you DO realize that is all we're doing here in these discussions, yes?

I never said I found it inappropriate based on our Constitution (using these exact words). I simply stated I found it inappropriate for him to offer up one of his resorts for the G7 summit. I don't believe he thought that idea through thoroughly and how badly it would reflect on him as well as his enterprises. I think he naively wanted to show off one of his resorts and given the room/logistics of the location, felt it was a good idea that made sense. I don't think he offered it up with malice or any type of ill, secretive intentions.

I think he's a man who knew very little about the Constitution when he took office and is still in the learning stages. He treats the U.S. often as if he's its CEO vs its POTUS. He needs to change that desperately. He has to follow ALL rules. The problem is, many that are against him and even despise him in Congress have histories of not following rules as well, so what does that say to a POTUS and his base?

There's an old saying...clean up the stink in your own backyard before criticizing mine.

I'm sorry that it seems to really bug you that I don't align my political opinions with you. That you're often left dumbfounded but Lemons, the onus is on you in figuring out WHY that is.

Not mine.

[Lemons]

He’s gotten away with quite a bit so far so he’s been pushing his luck. He did that a lot with his own business and shady dealings. That’s why he had three bankruptcies and no that’s not typical. That’s why every business he started on his own without his father has been a failure.

I suppose that would be a valid argument on the advertisement. I was just wondering how he was expecting to get around it and thought maybe he was going to donate everything so to not make a profit.

No. His businesses were not failures. Make no mistake. His bankruptcies were strategic. They were done with the intention that after a property was built, the BK was filed so that the goods and labor that went into erecting the building were then free. All of those people had their invoices wiped out and got nothing for all of their work.

He screwed countless companies in that way, literally driving people out of business. It's extremely sad when you think about it. Here these guys are, all excited that they got a contract to work for the infamous Trump, only to have their lives ruined. Horrible. An absolutely terrible thing to do to people. But it's good for him, so hey - why not?

Yea, pretty horrible that he calculated to cheat people out of money. Imagine if you or your husband signed a contract. You held up your end by putting in the labor, supplying the goods and the guy on the other end didn’t pay you? I can’t imagine.

He lost his casinos because he couldn’t make his loan payments in the early 1990’s. The Plaza Hotel in NYC went into bankruptcy protection. He lost his Trump airline due to money problems. And his father bailed him out at this time to save him from personal bankruptcy.

Don’t believe him when he claims the bankruptcies were some business plan. He wanted his casinos and airline to be successful. Trump university turned out to be a scam and he lost millions in law suits. Trump mortgage company didn’t make it along with his wine company. He just sucked as a businessman.

What he’s a master at is self promotion, selling his name and scamming.

[Lemons]

It was never appropriate for the summit to be held there.

I'm sure the Democrats will find something else to throw a tantrum about so taking this out of the running for more fodder was wise.

Is there a reason they shouldn’t throw a “tantrum” when an elected president is spitting on the constitution?

How do you do it? You admit it was never appropriate based on our constitution and then in the next thought you seem to think it something the democrats did wrong.

Considering the political dudes pointing the fingers at his spitting are hocking their own, unless hypocrisy is again something they wish to demonstrate (though it's being done routinely), I find it rather telling albeit laughable.

How do I do...what? Have an opinion? You mean....like you do? I mean, you DO realize that is all we're doing here in these discussions, yes?

I never said I found it inappropriate based on our Constitution (using these exact words). I simply stated I found it inappropriate for him to offer up one of his resorts for the G7 summit. I don't believe he thought that idea through thoroughly and how badly it would reflect on him as well as his enterprises. I think he naively wanted to show off one of his resorts and given the room/logistics of the location, felt it was a good idea that made sense. I don't think he offered it up with malice or any type of ill, secretive intentions.

I think he's a man who knew very little about the Constitution when he took office and is still in the learning stages. He treats the U.S. often as if he's its CEO vs its POTUS. He needs to change that desperately. He has to follow ALL rules. The problem is, many that are against him and even despise him in Congress have histories of not following rules as well, so what does that say to a POTUS and his base?

There's an old saying...clean up the stink in your own backyard before criticizing mine.

I'm sorry that it seems to really bug you that I don't align my political opinions with you. That you're often left dumbfounded but Lemons, the onus is on you in figuring out WHY that is.

Not mine.

No, not how do you have an opinion, how do you manage to turn the corruption of Trump into a democratic issue?

The excuses are astounding. He’s still learning the constitution? That’s learnt in high school and I would hope anyone running for president would take the time for refresher courses.

You seem to acknowledge Trump’s many issues but then turn it around to everyone picking on the poor guy as the reason.

And what does anyone’s history in congress have to do with the president abusing his power? This is what I’m talking about. Your excuses for him don’t even make sense. And no, no one needs to clean up their own back yard before they address some serious issues with our presidency and democracy.

Of course it doesn’t bother me that you have different views. But excusing the president because he’s still learning is truly bizarre. He’s not a child. He’s not training at Burger King. He tried to get away with profiting from being president which is clearly not allowed and he knows it. The republicans finally stepped up and said no, you can’t. That’s why he dropped it. Throwing in a comment about democrats is deflecting and nonsensical.

[Deleted User 203]

Is there a reason they shouldn’t throw a “tantrum” when an elected president is spitting on the constitution?

How do you do it? You admit it was never appropriate based on our constitution and then in the next thought you seem to think it something the democrats did wrong.

Considering the political dudes pointing the fingers at his spitting are hocking their own, unless hypocrisy is again something they wish to demonstrate (though it's being done routinely), I find it rather telling albeit laughable.

How do I do...what? Have an opinion? You mean....like you do? I mean, you DO realize that is all we're doing here in these discussions, yes?

I never said I found it inappropriate based on our Constitution (using these exact words). I simply stated I found it inappropriate for him to offer up one of his resorts for the G7 summit. I don't believe he thought that idea through thoroughly and how badly it would reflect on him as well as his enterprises. I think he naively wanted to show off one of his resorts and given the room/logistics of the location, felt it was a good idea that made sense. I don't think he offered it up with malice or any type of ill, secretive intentions.

I think he's a man who knew very little about the Constitution when he took office and is still in the learning stages. He treats the U.S. often as if he's its CEO vs its POTUS. He needs to change that desperately. He has to follow ALL rules. The problem is, many that are against him and even despise him in Congress have histories of not following rules as well, so what does that say to a POTUS and his base?

There's an old saying...clean up the stink in your own backyard before criticizing mine.

I'm sorry that it seems to really bug you that I don't align my political opinions with you. That you're often left dumbfounded but Lemons, the onus is on you in figuring out WHY that is.

Not mine.

No, not how do you have an opinion, how do you manage to turn the corruption of Trump into a democratic issue?

The excuses are astounding. He’s still learning the constitution? That’s learnt in high school and I would hope anyone running for president would take the time for refresher courses.

You seem to acknowledge Trump’s many issues but then turn it around to everyone picking on the poor guy as the reason.

And what does anyone’s history in congress have to do with the president abusing his power? This is what I’m talking about. Your excuses for him don’t even make sense. And no, no one needs to clean up their own back yard before they address some serious issues with our presidency and democracy.

Of course it doesn’t bother me that you have different views. But excusing the president because he’s still learning is truly bizarre. He’s not a child. He’s not training at Burger King. He tried to get away with profiting from being president which is clearly not allowed and he knows it. The republicans finally stepped up and said no, you can’t. That’s why he dropped it. Throwing in a comment about democrats is deflecting and nonsensical.

However you see it, Lemons, is not going to sway how I happen to see it.

I'm not making excuses for him. I'm simply not seeing him as OrangeManBad all the time as so many Democrats do.

And in order to have a conversation about abuses of power, it stands to reason that the abuses of those in the Democrat party who've not been upfront, who have committed dishonest deeds, and who cannot be trusted needs to be mentioned. It's not "nonsensical" to do so nor is it "deflecting." It's merely a reality.

I don't see President Trump as untouchable, infallible, or above the law. Yet you seem to feel from your words that I do which tells me you've never really paid a true amount of attention to anything I've written about him.

I am also not excusing his inability to know things he should have known beforehand such as the Constitution. That he's still learning is not me dismissing this inability. It's me pointing out a reality about him that is not comfortable and rather alarming but there it is...it's what I feel is going on with him and his apparent limited knowledge of the Constitution as well as his role as our POTUS.

I've never felt he was well-suited for the position. I have always felt that many who voted for him did so because they couldn't stand the idea of voting for Clinton. Popular vote winner or not, she's not as well liked as many would like to think she is...that SHE herself believes she is, and that includes within her own party.

Yes, people do need to clean up their own backyards otherwise they appear hypocritical which is EXACTLY what the appearance is for so many. Their own corruption, IOW.

I enjoy conversations with those especially that I oppose on a subject but when it becomes nothing more than a pissing contest, it grows boring and stale, and no longer holds my interest.

I feel this is what engaging you in conversations here has become for me.

I'll make one more comment to you about him--I predict that if things keep going as they are, he very well might...MIGHT...resign as POTUS. Of course some might feel that will give those seeking impeachment the win they've wanted for nearly three years but I have a suspicion that if my prediction is correct, it will be a bittersweet ending and politically could easily hurt them instead and more so than him. Provided he's found not guilty of actual criminal charges, he'll simply go down as one of the worst (if not THE worst) POTUS this country has seen or to his die-hard base, a man who could have done more and had done much.

I don't despise him. I refuse to mock him or his family as so many do. I don't feel that even with his patriotism that he should have been our POTUS. Our country should not be a bucket list item for someone.

But I do feel that too often, the good person he can be (and I see this elsewhere away from many news outlets) has been underscored by a thundering, ravenous need on the part of so many who have detested him and the reality that he is currently the POTUS and who honestly have some of the worst ideas of how this country should be ran and how the issues we face politically and socially should be handled.

From my little POV, we are f'ckd as a country politically ATM all the way around and I'm sorry, I don't see that changing regardless if he's in office or not.

Now, you can find my thoughts "bizarre" and that's your prerogative. But these are my thoughts about him hopefully better explained and whether you agree with them or not is of no consequence to me.