60 percent of Americans say Trump does not deserve reelection

[Momto2boys973]

Nothing can be worse than Trump

Oh well. Dems certainly aren't offering a better option, at the moment.

And people doing that is what will get Trump re-elected.

I don't see Trump getting re-elected. Of course, I didn't think he'd win round 1, even though I voted for him. If the Democrats had someone strong enough to unite the country, I would vote for that person. Haven't seen that. I plan to either vote 3rd party or write in Donald Duck. Right now those are better choices than what I'm currently seeing, unless someone dynamic finally steps up.

[Lemons]

I’m sure you’d have no problem saying that Trump should have won if he won the popular vote but not the EC.

I said that the popular vote should be the only way to elect the president. Eliminate the archaic Electoral College.
Got it?

I don’t believe for a minute that you would be saying that Trump should have won if he just won the popular vote. And the popular vote isn’t how we elect because we’re not a democracy. California and New York should get to pick the president every election. I’m sure peoples thoughts on the popular vote would change is California and New York were red states.

Americans can live in any state they want and most do. Why should empty states get a boost because no one chooses to live there? One person, one vote.

[Carpy]

As I said, you’re confusing apples and oranges. America is actually a democratic republic. “Constitutional” and “Republic” are terms with which a system of government is described. “Democracy” is a way of choosing that government. Like the UK is a “parliamentary monarchy”, but it’s still a democracy. Because while parliament governs the country and the monarch has a representative role, that parliament is democratically elected.

So being a Republic doesn’t make any less a democracy. In fact, America’s glorifies itself as THE example of democracy. Abraham Lincoln said it himself a “government of the people, by the people, for the people”. That’s the definition of democracy. The EC kills all that.

You confuse system of government with ways of choosing that government. That’s what people who say “we’re not a democracy, we’re a republic!” do. It’s 2 separate things. That’s as if I say “I’m not white! I’m Jewish!” Well, I’m actually both. One thing is my race, the other is my religion. So in a democratic republic the people choose the leaders. Those leaders work on the legislations. It’s not a free for all.

Now, by your example... imagine if those whose vote is more valuable choose that Muslims can’t worship in a mosque. And in terms of numbers, that’s the minority of the people. But tough, because they have more of a saying so even if the majority disagrees with that, it’s what it is. So someone getting screwed can happen either way, that’s not a good argument for the EC. A true democracy is what the majority wants. When you give certain people, for whatever reason, more of a vote than others, then that’s not democracy. So no offense to Jefferson, but with the EC 49% of the people may take away the right of the other 51%. So while both can result in some people not getting what they want, which one is really more fair? The one that will mean the majority chooses and the minority has to live with that choice or the one that can result in the minority choosing and the majority having to live with that choice?

No confusion on my part. That is why we are governed by a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Do you want California and NYC making the the rules for all 50 states? We have 50 states who elect the president for a reason.

I am not confusing anything. Democracy is essential mob rule. We are a Constitutional Republic, we differ from democracy in that the people we elect are bound to laws of a formal constitutional document. A democracy is not.

[Deleted User 203]

I still stand by the belief that out of the Democrats, Biden is not only going to win the Primary, he'll be a tough contender for President Trump to beat.

But, I do still also believe and rather strongly that love him or despise him, Trump has a fighting chance and if for nothing more than (outside of some of the good things he HAS done), many Americans like to see an elected POTUS finish the two terms to hopefully fulfill their goals and/or clean out their lockers (so to speak) fully.

[Deleted User 1018]

Yeah. I've reached my breaking point with him. I don't remember what he said/did that made me think I can't any more, but I can't listen to him any more. He's has a rally here later this month that I am skipping.

Anyone is better than tRump!

Oh well. Dems certainly aren't offering a better option, at the moment.

And people doing that is what will get Trump re-elected.

[Momto2boys973]

But then if you’re at that point, why would you do something that will help him win re-election?

Yeah. I've reached my breaking point with him. I don't remember what he said/did that made me think I can't any more, but I can't listen to him any more. He's has a rally here later this month that I am skipping.

Anyone is better than tRump!

Oh well. Dems certainly aren't offering a better option, at the moment.