Historic Catholic marker deemed 'racist symbol' removed by University of California Santa Cruz

[SouthernIslander]

Slavery and war and claiming land is how the world was built. If you want to erase everything that offends you in history, then we might as well nuke the entire planet.
Then we will finally all be equal! Equally dead.

It is impossible to erase the confederacy from the south and those monuments aren’t destroyed or erased. Just moved.

People watch too much TV and overdramatize that whole erase history thing.

[SouthernIslander]

I’ve always thought that the statues of the famous fighters for the south who fought in the civil war to keep slavery should all be put into a gallery together and described truthfully as racist slave owners who believed that blacks were so inferior that they needed to remain slaves with owners who could control them.
That’s the truth and it would be so valuable to let youngsters know exactly how horrible and evil those famous military men were !
It could teach them lessons in how not to live , how to avoid being evil.
Keep all Memorials, all statues. Let them be important lessons for the future adults who are now in school.
You know what they say about the past! Those who forget the past are condemned to to repeat it.
We don’t want a repeat of slavery, the Salem Witchcraft Trials , Hitler’s “final solution “ of killing millions of Jews, the all-out effort to kill blacks in the south in the 1950’s, 1960’s, segregation....

( and the latest move by despicable people to discriminate and who have hatred toward gays , lesbians....but that’s another issue and there are no statues or memorials, just social media crap)
Etc
Remember it! All of it .

Most of those monuments are relocated to museums, memorial parks, etc. I have personally never heard of any getting destroyed and there are a good bit of resources to educate kids.

I guess people just get bent out of shape because they want the monuments to stay exactly where it is.

[SouthernIslander]

Honestly, this is a matter between the school and their students/alumni IMO. I think people would free up a lot of headspace if they understood that and the media needs to stop over reporting about this (in general).

[hotspice58]

This. The problem is statues were out in the open to be admired. Put them in a museum with all of their history. Some people want history to be white washed.

Slavery and war and claiming land is how the world was built. If you want to erase everything that offends you in history, then we might as well nuke the entire planet.
Then we will finally all be equal! Equally dead.

And amazingly, some would call that progress.


We are going down a wrong road lately, trying to erase everything that offends any group (other than white Christian) of people. How the hell are we to teach our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren if we have nothing to remember anything? I would not be surprised if we didn't end up in another civil war because we have few reminders of the first one left. No one will be able to "see" the people and the places. A museum is fine and all, but it is not the same as the actual site, the memorials, the statues, the plaques in place.... I'm afraid our sense and understanding of history will be more lost than what it is now, and it's pretty far gone now, imo.

[Deleted User 276]

This. The problem is statues were out in the open to be admired. Put them in a museum with all of their history. Some people want history to be white washed.

Slavery and war and claiming land is how the world was built. If you want to erase everything that offends you in history, then we might as well nuke the entire planet.
Then we will finally all be equal! Equally dead.

And amazingly, some would call that progress.


We are going down a wrong road lately, trying to erase everything that offends any group (other than white Christian) of people. How the hell are we to teach our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren if we have nothing to remember anything? I would not be surprised if we didn't end up in another civil war because we have few reminders of the first one left. No one will be able to "see" the people and the places. A museum is fine and all, but it is not the same as the actual site, the memorials, the statues, the plaques in place.... I'm afraid our sense and understanding of history will be more lost than what it is now, and it's pretty far gone now, imo.

Of course statues were erected to be admired. That's why Daughters of the Confederacy erected so many during the early 1900s. The question is, should they be admired and should they be permanent. In my town, we have a statue to "the confederate soldier" commissioned by one of the daughters of Jeb Stuart. Yet we didn't have any soldiers fighting for the Confederacy. We had some Union soldiers but for most part our town had Confederate deserters. Should our town be able to take down the statue and replace it with something more in keeping with our actual history? Most of the town residents say "no" so it's going to stay.

IMO, this is a community issue, not a national issue. Let communities decide what persons and events they want memorialized. But also don't forget that for the most part these monuments to confederate generals were erected 50+ years later, not to ensure that people didn't forget but to intimidate certain segments of the population.

[Deleted User 1344]

This. The problem is statues were out in the open to be admired. Put them in a museum with all of their history. Some people want history to be white washed.

And amazingly, some would call that progress.


We are going down a wrong road lately, trying to erase everything that offends any group (other than white Christian) of people. How the hell are we to teach our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren if we have nothing to remember anything? I would not be surprised if we didn't end up in another civil war because we have few reminders of the first one left. No one will be able to "see" the people and the places. A museum is fine and all, but it is not the same as the actual site, the memorials, the statues, the plaques in place.... I'm afraid our sense and understanding of history will be more lost than what it is now, and it's pretty far gone now, imo.

Of course statues were erected to be admired. That's why Daughters of the Confederacy erected so many during the early 1900s. The question is, should they be admired and should they be permanent. In my town, we have a statue to "the confederate soldier" commissioned by one of the daughters of Jeb Stuart. Yet we didn't have any soldiers fighting for the Confederacy. We had some Union soldiers but for most part our town had Confederate deserters. Should our town be able to take down the statue and replace it with something more in keeping with our actual history? Most of the town residents say "no" so it's going to stay.

IMO, this is a community issue, not a national issue. Let communities decide what persons and events they want memorialized. But also don't forget that for the most part these monuments to confederate generals were erected 50+ years later, not to ensure that people didn't forget but to intimidate certain segments of the population.

Well said!

[SouthernIslander]

This. The problem is statues were out in the open to be admired. Put them in a museum with all of their history. Some people want history to be white washed.

And amazingly, some would call that progress.


We are going down a wrong road lately, trying to erase everything that offends any group (other than white Christian) of people. How the hell are we to teach our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren if we have nothing to remember anything? I would not be surprised if we didn't end up in another civil war because we have few reminders of the first one left. No one will be able to "see" the people and the places. A museum is fine and all, but it is not the same as the actual site, the memorials, the statues, the plaques in place.... I'm afraid our sense and understanding of history will be more lost than what it is now, and it's pretty far gone now, imo.

Of course statues were erected to be admired. That's why Daughters of the Confederacy erected so many during the early 1900s. The question is, should they be admired and should they be permanent. In my town, we have a statue to "the confederate soldier" commissioned by one of the daughters of Jeb Stuart. Yet we didn't have any soldiers fighting for the Confederacy. We had some Union soldiers but for most part our town had Confederate deserters. Should our town be able to take down the statue and replace it with something more in keeping with our actual history? Most of the town residents say "no" so it's going to stay.

IMO, this is a community issue, not a national issue. Let communities decide what persons and events they want memorialized. But also don't forget that for the most part these monuments to confederate generals were erected 50+ years later, not to ensure that people didn't forget but to intimidate certain segments of the population.

Well said.