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KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:58 am
hmmm666 wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:00 pm The right refuses to see reality. They want to be right about trump so they are ignoring what’s best for the country and ignoring our laws. I would love to enter an alternate universe where a Democrat president did the exact same things as trump.
ReadingRainbow wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:34 pm I just don’t really see the point of arguing with people online...

Reality is reality. No matter what randos online say...
No alternate reality required. We lived through ACTUAL QUID PRO QUO during the Obama Administration. Listen to the testimony again about aid being withheld from Ukraine during Obama’s term then go listen to Joe Biden explain in his own words how they held up a ton of money until someone was fired. That’s a factual case whereas this case against Trump is people’s opinion about what they heard and what they thought he meant. Not factual.
Firing that prosecutor was both national and international policy. It was something that benefited national interests. If it was a condition of the aid package and has not yet been done, the president is within his rights to withhold the aid. In trump's case, Ukraine had already met the conditions we had stipulated in order for them to get the aid. Trump then secretly added the Biden stuff, ignoring law, his own experts, and national security requirements to obtain something of personal value to him only.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:52 am
Lemons wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:51 pm
morgan wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:29 am I don't know how democrats can live with themselves. Liars, all of them.


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Note the time gap in returning the text. Sondland admitted that he got instructions on what to say on the text knowing it could be public one day. Plus he's already retracted some of the lies he told on his previous testimony because of fear of a federal charge of lying to congress. Something his colleagues know all about.
The difference in the times??
Maybe Sondland was sleeping at nearly 1am and responded as soon as he got up at 5 something am.

That’s priceless... “look at the time difference, he got assistance with what to text”....

Yeah, he might have asked the Sand Man or left a note for the tooth faerie.

You and Libby respond a lot alike these days.
If you had read testimony you would understand. Sondland testified that he contacted Trump before he answered the text to see what to say. Trump then told him how to reply to the text.

I hope you are never on a jury where someone’s life is at stake.
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jessilin0113 wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 am
KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:58 am
hmmm666 wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:00 pm The right refuses to see reality. They want to be right about trump so they are ignoring what’s best for the country and ignoring our laws. I would love to enter an alternate universe where a Democrat president did the exact same things as trump.
No alternate reality required. We lived through ACTUAL QUID PRO QUO during the Obama Administration. Listen to the testimony again about aid being withheld from Ukraine during Obama’s term then go listen to Joe Biden explain in his own words how they held up a ton of money until someone was fired. That’s a factual case whereas this case against Trump is people’s opinion about what they heard and what they thought he meant. Not factual.
Firing that prosecutor was both national and international policy. It was something that benefited national interests. If it was a condition of the aid package and has not yet been done, the president is within his rights to withhold the aid. In trump's case, Ukraine had already met the conditions we had stipulated in order for them to get the aid. Trump then secretly added the Biden stuff, ignoring law, his own experts, and national security requirements to obtain something of personal value to him only.
Nope. You are completely wrong, but that’s understandable.

Ukraine has to set up a coalition or committee to fight and investigate corruption- after the group of Congress that went, met with Z and saw what he created, the aid was released. We have an Agreement with them since 1999 I believe.

It benefits the international community for the corruption in Ukraine to be rooted out. If people in Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election or the company Burisma participated or solicited favors from us or Hunter Biden used his fatger’s influence there, the President would be neglect if he didn’t ask the new President of Ukraine to make investigating these things a priority.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:07 pm
jessilin0113 wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 am
KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:58 am

No alternate reality required. We lived through ACTUAL QUID PRO QUO during the Obama Administration. Listen to the testimony again about aid being withheld from Ukraine during Obama’s term then go listen to Joe Biden explain in his own words how they held up a ton of money until someone was fired. That’s a factual case whereas this case against Trump is people’s opinion about what they heard and what they thought he meant. Not factual.
Firing that prosecutor was both national and international policy. It was something that benefited national interests. If it was a condition of the aid package and has not yet been done, the president is within his rights to withhold the aid. In trump's case, Ukraine had already met the conditions we had stipulated in order for them to get the aid. Trump then secretly added the Biden stuff, ignoring law, his own experts, and national security requirements to obtain something of personal value to him only.
Nope. You are completely wrong, but that’s understandable.

Ukraine has to set up a coalition or committee to fight and investigate corruption- after the group of Congress that went, met with Z and saw what he created, the aid was released. We have an Agreement with them since 1999 I believe.

It benefits the international community for the corruption in Ukraine to be rooted out. If people in Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election or the company Burisma participated or solicited favors from us or Hunter Biden used his fatger’s influence there, the President would be neglect if he didn’t ask the new President of Ukraine to make investigating these things a priority.
Then he should have gone through proper channels to make it a formal condition of recieving aid, but he didn't.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:07 pm
jessilin0113 wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 am
KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:58 am

No alternate reality required. We lived through ACTUAL QUID PRO QUO during the Obama Administration. Listen to the testimony again about aid being withheld from Ukraine during Obama’s term then go listen to Joe Biden explain in his own words how they held up a ton of money until someone was fired. That’s a factual case whereas this case against Trump is people’s opinion about what they heard and what they thought he meant. Not factual.
Firing that prosecutor was both national and international policy. It was something that benefited national interests. If it was a condition of the aid package and has not yet been done, the president is within his rights to withhold the aid. In trump's case, Ukraine had already met the conditions we had stipulated in order for them to get the aid. Trump then secretly added the Biden stuff, ignoring law, his own experts, and national security requirements to obtain something of personal value to him only.
Nope. You are completely wrong, but that’s understandable.

Ukraine has to set up a coalition or committee to fight and investigate corruption- after the group of Congress that went, met with Z and saw what he created, the aid was released. We have an Agreement with them since 1999 I believe.

It benefits the international community for the corruption in Ukraine to be rooted out. If people in Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election or the company Burisma participated or solicited favors from us or Hunter Biden used his fatger’s influence there, the President would be neglect if he didn’t ask the new President of Ukraine to make investigating these things a priority.
Why wasn't an investigation into 'Ukraine meddling" happen in 2016 if that was really a concern? Why now, three years later?

Why have Manafort run your campaign if you are concerned with Ukrainian corruption? He's now in jail in large part because of his direct involvement in Ukrainian corruption.

Why not ask for an investigation on Burisma in 2017 if that was really a concern? Why now? Right before the election?

Makes no sense whatsoever to an average thinking person.
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KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:07 pm
jessilin0113 wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 am
KnotaDinghy wrote: Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:58 am

No alternate reality required. We lived through ACTUAL QUID PRO QUO during the Obama Administration. Listen to the testimony again about aid being withheld from Ukraine during Obama’s term then go listen to Joe Biden explain in his own words how they held up a ton of money until someone was fired. That’s a factual case whereas this case against Trump is people’s opinion about what they heard and what they thought he meant. Not factual.
Firing that prosecutor was both national and international policy. It was something that benefited national interests. If it was a condition of the aid package and has not yet been done, the president is within his rights to withhold the aid. In trump's case, Ukraine had already met the conditions we had stipulated in order for them to get the aid. Trump then secretly added the Biden stuff, ignoring law, his own experts, and national security requirements to obtain something of personal value to him only.
Nope. You are completely wrong, but that’s understandable.

Ukraine has to set up a coalition or committee to fight and investigate corruption- after the group of Congress that went, met with Z and saw what he created, the aid was released. We have an Agreement with them since 1999 I believe.

It benefits the international community for the corruption in Ukraine to be rooted out. If people in Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election or the company Burisma participated or solicited favors from us or Hunter Biden used his fatger’s influence there, the President would be neglect if he didn’t ask the new President of Ukraine to make investigating these things a priority.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa ... of_Ukraine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea ... in_Ukraine

"There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election. And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race."

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446
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But I'm still the winner! They lied! They cheated! They stole the election!
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