Let’s talk about satanism.

[Anonymous 1]

This isn’t really a religious post in the sense that it would be promoting any one religion. It’s more of a historic post that is discussing different belief systems that have been followed.

It’s ok if admins delete this, it was just meant to be a conversation starter.

You do realize that black magic doesnt mean satanisim.....

I don't think she does. Her examples are a group of Gnostic Christians whose masses were labelled as black masses by society because they were outside the norm of the Church (even though they clearly documented that these masses were to worship Jesus, not satan), and a woman who practised early medicine and may have supplied murderers with poison to commit political assassinations who admitted to black masses after being tortured for days and told that the torture will not stop until she admits to having them, even though there was no physical evidence that she ever actually had one. I will remind you that Tituba, the enslaved woman imprisoned during the Salem Witch Trials, also admitted to Satanism after being tortured even though she was actually practising forms of African based religions that have nothing to do with Satan. At that time, anything outside the Church was black magic and torture can make someone confess to anything.

They were Gnostics, however they were Gnostics that believed the demiurge ( the creator ) was a manifestation of satan.

[Olioxenfree]

You do realize that black magic doesnt mean satanisim.....

I don't think she does. Her examples are a group of Gnostic Christians whose masses were labelled as black masses by society because they were outside the norm of the Church (even though they clearly documented that these masses were to worship Jesus, not satan), and a woman who practised early medicine and may have supplied murderers with poison to commit political assassinations who admitted to black masses after being tortured for days and told that the torture will not stop until she admits to having them, even though there was no physical evidence that she ever actually had one. I will remind you that Tituba, the enslaved woman imprisoned during the Salem Witch Trials, also admitted to Satanism after being tortured even though she was actually practising forms of African based religions that have nothing to do with Satan. At that time, anything outside the Church was black magic and torture can make someone confess to anything.

They were Gnostics, however they were Gnostics that believed the demiurge ( the creator ) was a manifestation of satan.

The Borborites believed that a duality of God, called the demiurge was a part of the creation story. They did not worship the demiurge. Their eucharist was labelled a "black mass" because it involved the consumption of menstrual blood and semen, which really they viewed those bodily fluids as the blood and body of Christ.

[Anonymous 6]

Why does it even matter? Whether the person follows the original belief or they follow one that derived from it, they can believe whatever they want to believe. Live and let live.

Ok? Does it matter what others believe?

No, people should believe whatever they want. But people should also realize that one religion doesn’t erase another religion.

[Danesmommy1]

Accusing someone of Satanism doesn't make them a Satanist nor does torturing someone "confession."

So are you all thinking that satanism never existed, it was just thought to have existed?

When the Lesser Key of Solomon describe how to call upon and use specific demons, it was just a joke and not something that was actually believed? Was the Ars Goetia just fiction, not actually religious in nature?

Not Christian =/= Satanic.

[Anonymous 1]

Accusing someone of Satanism doesn't make them a Satanist nor does torturing someone "confession."

So are you all thinking that satanism never existed, it was just thought to have existed?

When the Lesser Key of Solomon describe how to call upon and use specific demons, it was just a joke and not something that was actually believed? Was the Ars Goetia just fiction, not actually religious in nature?

Not Christian =/= Satanic.

Ok, and I agree that people throughout history have been accused when they had nothing to do with satan.

But I am specifically talking about writings that reference demonology and satanic worship.

[Deleted User 1018]

There are two sects to satanism. I don’t know a great deal about satanism before Anton LeVey, and I am stating this off memory. One sect, maybe both, are self based and do not believe Satan is real, and don’t believe in diety. The other sect does believe. Then there are some the rumored human sacrifice, ritual types who practice out in the woods or hidden basements of houses. Now I am curious about the history part.

[Anonymous 7]

Do some research on the history of organized Satanism and the founders of the satanic Temple. Do some Satanists actually believe in Satan? Sure, someone believes in anything. But, the founders and the majority of Satanists are atheists who believe in a certain behavior system (the tenants of Satanism) and who chose Satan as a way to promote the legalities of religious freedom and separation if church and state in the United States.

That is just one of the newer forms of Satanism not the majority.

[Olioxenfree]

Do some research on the history of organized Satanism and the founders of the satanic Temple. Do some Satanists actually believe in Satan? Sure, someone believes in anything. But, the founders and the majority of Satanists are atheists who believe in a certain behavior system (the tenants of Satanism) and who chose Satan as a way to promote the legalities of religious freedom and separation if church and state in the United States.

That is just one of the newer forms of Satanism not the majority.

No, that is the majority.

[Olioxenfree]

Accusing someone of Satanism doesn't make them a Satanist nor does torturing someone "confession."

So are you all thinking that satanism never existed, it was just thought to have existed?

When the Lesser Key of Solomon describe how to call upon and use specific demons, it was just a joke and not something that was actually believed? Was the Ars Goetia just fiction, not actually religious in nature?

There is a huge difference between studying demonology and worshipping Satan. The most credible sauce of the ars goetia was a doctor who studied demonology in order to serve as an expert during the witch trials. He believed that most of those accused of witch craft just suffered from mental illness and that demons were not very powerful. He certainly did not worship Satan.

[PoplarGrove]

I am aware, however you are discussing one religion that started in the same lifetime as people living today.

We have writings detailing the original form of satanism that go as far back as the 1500’s.

Please show me these writings.

Have you ever heard of the Borborites, or read about why
Catherine Monvoisin was put to death?

The Borborites practiced Sethianism, not Satanism. Two very different things.
Monvoison was burned at the stake as a witch because she poisoned a crap ton of people (we think, she never actually admitted to anything. For all we know she was just a crack pot who was framed) She was a con artist and a great showman and claimed to have occult powers which she used to perform "black masses" but it was never called Satanism.
The term Satanism was used by the Catholic Church to slander other religions from the 16th century on (they claimed Protestants practiced "satanic rituals" for example) but it was never used to describe a religion or belief structure. And the Church claimed lots of people were in league with Satan before they killed them but it was never called Satanism.

Satan worship, demon worship Whatever you want to call it has been documented in history but it was never called Satanism. Hell, half the time a group was accused of worshiping demons or Satan by the Catholic Church it was all a load of bull made up by the Church to seize control of a frightened, illiterate population.